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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism,soc.men,soc.women
- Subject: Re: Living in a State of Siege
- Date: 22 Dec 92 13:12:01
- Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
- Lines: 47
- Message-ID: <MUFFY.92Dec22131202@remarque.berkeley.edu>
- References: <1992Dec22.155536.13131@ll.mit.edu>
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- In-reply-to: x73rl@ll.mit.edu's message of 22 Dec 92 15:55:36 GMT
-
- In article <1992Dec22.155536.13131@ll.mit.edu> x73rl@ll.mit.edu ( Rick LaFave) writes:
- >Since Feminism is about womens issues, not mens issues, feminists
- >concentrate on womens lives/issues
-
- Yup.
-
- >and are indifferent (at best) to mens
- >lives/issues.
-
- This is an assumption of yours, and of the anti-feminists. It is not
- inherent in feminism. *Some* feminists are not interested in men's
- lives. *Some* feminists are; some of those include it as part of their
- definition of feminism, others see it as a separate issue which they
- are, nonetheless, concerned with. Finally, a small number of feminists
- actually hate men, for whatever reason. However, this is not actually
- part of feminism, as you imply, it is a personal issue of theirs.
-
- >Nobody bats an eye... No big surprise here...
-
- Oh, come off it! More than half the posters to this group scream about
- this every day. Even more on soc.men and soc.women.
-
- >Men who discuss mens issues without the footnote 'women have it much
- >worse', or who interject that males also have a perspective on a particular
- >problem that women haven't considered (see para 1), are insensitive to
- >womens issues/needs/whatever and are belittleing womens lives.
-
- Nope. Men who say "shut up about (for example) violence against women,
- because the *real* problem is violence against men" are being
- insensitive and belittling. Men who discuss men's issues in a group
- which is supposedly about feminism (which you yourself say is about
- women's issues) are also being insensitive, since the implication is
- that people who are concerned about women's issues *should* be spending
- their time on men's issues. Why not keep it in soc.men and stop all
- this ridiculous cross-posting?
-
- >BTW who did we say is being insensitive?
-
- Well, try a mirror.
-
- Muffy
- --
-
- Muffy Barkocy | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
- muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | takes to fill a word with meaning and/
- "amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm | how much how much death it takes/to give
- not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.| a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
-