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- From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
- Subject: Re: Why are many low-income women fat? (was Re: Separate but Equal?)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.192201.4755@wam.umd.edu>
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:22:01 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec22.182225.1768@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec22.024702.28703@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
- >>In article <BzML6w.Hxw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
- >> Early on, lesse--it must have been 13 or 14 for me--most
- >> men learn to li --*always*--to women about certain subjects.
- >
- >really?
-
-
- You don't think so? Every other man in my "social group"
- (which varies from school to home to friends to whatever)
- is quite fluent in the art of social lying. In fact, most
- men are so trained that they aren't even *aware* that they're
- doing it, unless you point it out to them. When I had it
- pointed out to me ("I can't believe you said that you liked
- that" or "I can't believe you actually said that" or "You
- told me last night that you ... so why did you say .. to her?")
- I started watching. Hell, it's ingrained by the time you're
- out of your teens.
-
- <and it's learned--you learn it by trial and error. Women
- *encourage* this behavior--and I'm sure it goes the other direction,
- too.>
-
-
- >> 2) Women (people, actually) who pose such questions as
- >> "How old do I _really_ look?" are *begging* to be lied
- >> to. Truth is not expected. Just try answering one of these
- >> nitwits honestly and see what kind of answer you get.
- >
- >what about when others ask how old you are, rather than teling you
- >how old you look?
-
-
- Same thing. Loaded question,
-
- "How old are you, anyway?"
-
- "23."
-
- "My god, I thought you were (older or younger with some absurd
- guess at age). You don't seem to be 23! So much more (vibrant or
- mature)."
-
- >> Fact is, people DO, with *very few exceptions* (supermodels
- >> come to mind) look their age. Anyone who tells you otherwise,
- >> carefully consider (that is, honestly consider) how honest
- >> that statement is.
- >
- >You are forgetting movie stars, who spend a great deal of time, effort,
- >and money on maintaining their appearance. With the possible exceptions
- >of Columbo and Roxanne that is. :^)
-
-
- Most movie stars don't look so hot out of makeup/offscreen.
-
-
- >> The same occurs for men. It is well known that
- >> appearance has a great deal of affect on how well one
- >> succeeds in life. It's not a discrimination thing, it's
- >> a human thing. As far as I can tell, the only way to
- >> solve it would be to put everyones eyes out at birth.
- >>
- >> We judge *everything* by appearance--not just people. Most
- >> people eat attractively prepared food despite the fact that
- >
- >How does one get judged on the net, by the appearance of the text?
-
-
- Ah, the not-so-great equalizer. You're making the proposition
- that my point is wrong by proposing a situation where a key
- part of my point (appearance) is not available. Sorry,
- not good enough.
-
- To begin with, consider how you react to poorly formatted
- orpoorly written (spelling, word use, whatever) articles.
-
-
- >Rich
- >payner@netcom.com
-
-
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