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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism,soc.men,soc.women
- Subject: Re: Living in a State of Siege
- Date: 21 Dec 92 15:40:21
- Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
- Lines: 27
- Message-ID: <MUFFY.92Dec21154021@remarque.berkeley.edu>
- References: <1992Dec18.184824.10383@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
- <1gth7bINNcfi@gap.caltech.edu> <BzM49A.5yx@world.std.com>
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- In-reply-to: aep@world.std.com's message of Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:00:46 GMT
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- In article <BzM49A.5yx@world.std.com> aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page) writes:
- >In article <1gth7bINNcfi@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >>dgross@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross) writes:
- >>> "We men" are surrounded by violence from our circumcision in infancy
- >>So this gives you the right to do violence unto others???
- >100%, completely off of the MARK!!
-
- >The issue is not the right to comit violence at all!>The issue is that
- >men are also the victims of violence.
-
- No, the issue is that every time someone talks about the violence that
- is practiced against women, some people here start shouting about the
- violence that happens to men. Not only do they not seem to want us to
- work on the problem *we* are concerned about, but they further want us
- to work on *their* problems. No one has *denied* that men have
- problems, those are simply not necessarily the problems that many
- feminists are concerned about. It is apparently more interesting to
- advocates for men to attack anyone working on women's problems than to
- *do* anything about the problems they are supposedly so concerned about.
-
- Muffy
- --
-
- Muffy Barkocy | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
- muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | takes to fill a word with meaning and/
- "amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm | how much how much death it takes/to give
- not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.| a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
-