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- From: pvs9@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Praktikum Verteilte Systeme)
- Subject: Re: ME maps
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.143744.4539@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de>
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- Summary: Some comments on some maps, and a view on the South and East
- Keywords: maps, ICE, MERP
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- Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik (Bueltenweg), Germany
- References: <1992Dec18.150832@masg1.epfl.ch>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:37:44 GMT
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- On the ICE MERP map :
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- Only the north-western corner of that map (that area also shown on the LOTR,
- bound by Umbar in the south and the Sea of Rh^un in the east) is to be trusted.
- The rest of the map is just fancy stuff which even contradicts Tolkien's
- intention. Tolkien never meant to create an *alien* world, he meant to depict
- a (fictitious) earlier state of the *real* world. There are sketches by
- Tolkien which clearly show that the southernmost part of Middle Earth has the
- shape of Africa. In my opinion, the area where the LOTR takes place is to be
- appended to the west of Europe. The 'inner sea of Helcar' is the Mediterranean
- Sea, Cuivi'enen is the Black Sea. Umbar lay where now is Lisbon (Portugal).
- The lands of the LOTR were drowned at a later time (probably the end of the
- Fourth Age) in about the same way Beleriand was drowned at the end of the
- First age. The only problem with that are the British Isles which do not fit
- into that well, but there is a solution mentioned somewhere in the Book of
- Lost Tales, I think : after Gondor, Rohan, Wilderland, Eriador and most of
- Mordor were drowned, Osse dragged Tol Eressea back to Middle Earth. During
- that, the westernmost part broke off and became Ireland, while the main part
- of Tol Eressea is now Great Britain. The returning of Tol Eressea was
- probably a reward for some faithful inhabitants of the area destroyed (similar
- to N'umenor), perhaps the Rohirrim.
-
- On Karen Wynn Forstad's Historical Atlas of Middle Earth :
-
- IMHO, these maps are of very good quality. However, there are some details
- where my opinion differs from the view presented in the atlas. For example,
- I think the southern border of the Shire lies closer to Sarn Ford. But the
- aspect discussed above is missing. On one map, Cuivi'enen is shown as a lake
- somewhere in the far east, comparable in size to the Sea of Rh^un. The map
- of the jurneys of the N'umenoreans showing a rough image of the total of
- Middle Earth does also miss that aspect; the term 'Inner Seas', IMHO, refers
- to the Mediterranean Sea (as I've said above). The post-ringwar political map
- is questionable. Aragorn claimed sovereignty over all areas which once have
- belonged to Gondor except Rohan, but it is the question if he really got those
- areas under his sceptre. Well, maybe he did, perhaps temporarily, perhaps
- for all of his reign. The question what happened to the Kingdom after
- Aragorn's death, is unanswered anyway. Most probably, Umbar and Dorwinion fell
- apart again, and maybe Arnor and Gondor were separated from each other. We
- don't know.
-
- May Elbereth protect you ! Joerg Rhiemeier
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