home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13582 talk.politics.misc:65884 alt.activism.d:4382 misc.legal:21900 alt.politics.bush:15235 alt.president.clinton:1316
- Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
- Path: sparky!uunet!think.com!ames!pacbell.com!unet!guava!steven
- From: steven@guava.net.com (Steve Nelson)
- Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.190521.26189@unet.net.com>
- Sender: news@unet.net.com
- Nntp-Posting-Host: guava
- Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City, CA
- References: <1992Dec30.195442.29596@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> <1992Dec30.214831.28941@vexcel.com> <bhayden.725782011@teal>
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:05:21 GMT
- Lines: 84
-
- In article <bhayden.725782011@teal> bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) writes:
- >
- > [irrelevant text deleted}
- >
- >Lying to Congress has a long history. Presidents of both parties have
- >done it as a matter of course. If you criminalize that,
-
- Lying to Congress is currently a crime.
- --
-
- >you would have
- >to put FDR, JFK, and LBJ at the head of the list.
- >
-
- Please provide specific information, including the name of any
- administration officials, the date of occurrences, the person or persons
- to whom the information was provided, the text of the information provided,
- the sources you referenced, and evidence to prove that the information
- given was incorrect and was knowingly provided with the deliberate intent
- to deceive, which indicates that any senior official in the FDR, JFK, or
- LBJ, administrations or that the president himself ever lied (knowingly
- provided incorrect information with the deliberate intent to deceive) under
- oath, in a court of law, during a deposition, or to Congress.
-
- Without specific supporting data, your blanket statements will be taken
- for what they are: unsubstantiated allegations. If you want to convince
- readers that your statements have some basis in fact and that,
- therefore, your argument is well founded, you would serve yourself well
- and may even win some friends and influence people by providing solid,
- specific, well documented facts which support your general statements.
-
-
- >FDR's lies to congress got us into the war against Germany.
- >
-
- Let's start with the above statement:
-
- Did FDR or one of his senior administration officials lie to Congress?
-
- If it was official(s), who was(were) the official(s)?
-
- What were the dates of the lies? (you indicate multiple lies with the
- plural)
-
- What part of Congress was lied to? A single member? A committee?
- The House? The Senate? The entire Congress?
-
- What were the texts of the lies?
-
- Provide evidence that shows that the information provided was incorrect.
-
- Provide evidence that shows that the information provided was intended to
- deliberately deceive Congress?
-
- Show how "FDR's lies" to Congress got the United States into World War II
- against Germany? (once you have established that there were lies and
- documented them, show that an effect of the lies was U.S. involvement in
- WWII against Germany)
-
- Provide sources for all of your information.
-
-
- Once you have adequately answered all of the above, you will have provided
- an excellent, well founded argument of your statement.
-
-
- >Next, much of the alleged lying was not done under oath. This is the
- >first time (I believe) that anyone has tried to prosecute non oath
- >testimony before Congress. Next, much of the alleged lying was
- >omission, not commission (i.e. things were left out).
- >Finally, Walsh is as guilty of it as Weinberger - in his statements
- >about where he lives and reimbursements thereof.
- >
-
- Again, please provide the above requested information to support your
- allegations concerning Lawrence Walsh.
-
- >
- >Bruce E. Hayden
- >(303) 758-8400
- >bhayden@csn.org
- >
-
- Steve Go Bears!!
-