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- From: orwell@erich.triumf.ca (BALDEN, RON)
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- Subject: Re: Korean War (Was: Re: A pacifist's call for conditional ...Somalia)
- Date: 31 Dec 1992 16:54 PST
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- A few more comments on Doug Foxvog's comments (dfo@tko.vtt.fi) --
- on my comments -- but we are not, I think, in any fundamental disagreement:
-
- >
- >>The U.S. intervened in
- >>support of a murderous right-wing dictatorship, hardly analogous to D-Day.
- >
- >The invasion was similar, landing troops into an area occupied by an
- >invader. The allied government being supported was far different.
- >
- >>I haven't yet studied the history of the Korean War in sufficient
- >>depth so as to be able to refute all the "standard lies" in detail (I
- >>*have* done this for the U.S.-Vietnam War), but I know enough to
- >>recognize them.
- >
- >I stated no opinion on US involvement in Korea. My comment in no
- >way supported it, i just was noting a misuse of terminology. As a
- >matter of fact, i do not support that US intervention, which should have
- >been clear in my original article.
- >
- It was clear. To my mind, the question of fact that is at issue
- over the use of the word "invasion" is the following:
-
- In the case of Vietnam, the *full-scale* invasion of South Vietnam
- by U.S. military forces began in 1965 under the cover of an
- "invitation" extended by a quisling Saigon regime which had
- been installed and supported by the U.S. from the outset of
- its undermining of the 1954 Geneva accords. (Ngo Diem being
- the U.S. puppet from 1954-63.) The Saigon regime --
- all Catholics (and former collaborators with their French colonial
- masters) in a country that was 94 percent Buddhist -- had the support
- of no more than 5 percent of the population (i.e. their fellow Catholics).
- If you install your own puppets, and they then "invite" your military
- forces in to "defend" their country from "internal aggression"
- it is still a military invasion of a country in the conventional pejorative
- sense, or the word has no meaning.
-
- Now, in the case of South Korea (and remember, the partition of Korea was
- solely a creation of the Cold War) the question at issue to my mind is
- whether the government of Syngman Rhee had *any* popular legitimacy. If
- memory serves, (and I promise to not discuss this again until I've read
- more) Rhee actually *lost* an election that was held a month or so before
- troops crossed the 38th parallel on June 25th, 1950. I find it
- plausible that Rhee actually provoked the conflict in order to remain in
- power. To quote Richard Barnet in "Intervention and Revolution: The
- United States and the Third World" (1972, a valuable study of U.S.
- counterrevolutionary foreign policy since WWII):
-
- ""Although the South Korean army also thrust north of the 38th parallel
- on the morning of June 25, 1950, it seems clear that the North Korean
- army struck first. But it was hardly the unprovoked attack from the
- blue that the State Department likes to recall. The events of June
- 25 were preceded by more than two years of guerrilla warfare, border
- raids initiated by both sides, and mounting threats by South Korean
- President Syngman Rhee to conquer the North. ... As 1950 began, Rhee
- declared that he was prepared to "unify our territory by ourselves,"
- even at the cost of "bloodshed and civil strife." He mobilized his
- armies. According to MacArthurs's chief of intelligence, Charles A.
- Willoughby, at the time of the attack "the entire ROK army had been
- alerted for weeks and was in position along the 38th parallel." In
- March Rhee broadcast to North Korea that the hour of their liberation
- was at hand. Threats to march north mounted throughout the spring.
- Guerilla warfare in the South also continued, and the Rhee government
- stepped up its arrests."" [Barnet, pg. 83 in 1972 Mentor paperback
- edition (reprinted 1980 in a different format)]
-
- Again, from memory, I believe that U.S. forces essentially took over
- control of the local Korean secret police (or at least did nothing to
- destroy their power) which had been organized and trained by the Japanese
- during their occupation (1910-45) of Korea, and it was this secret
- police which were Rhee's power base.
-
-
- >... It appeared to me that you were
- >indicating something that was especially evil about "Western industrial
- >democracies".
- >
-
- Not an unreasonable inference, although my actual intention was to indicate
- that there was nothing especially evil about *U.S.* foreign policy insofar
- as its formulation was (and is) completely undemocratic.
-
- Ron Balden
-
-