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- From: goid@zooid.guild.org (Will Steeves)
- Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity,soc.women,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
- Subject: The Evil Conspiracy Behind this "Male Choice" thing...
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.115940.1784@zooid.guild.org>
- Date: 24 Dec 92 11:47:00 GMT
- Sender: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
- Organization: The Zoo of Ids
- Lines: 83
- Organisation: GOiDS "R" We, Inc.
- X-To: GORDON STORGA
-
- gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes...
- GS><1992Dec5.041249.19584@wdl.loral.com> bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com said:
- GS>>In article <Byr1Ky.J9D@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, hpzg0650@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hale P
- GS>ngingonul) writes:
- GS>># I agree with Kevin here. Why should anybody pay for a kid he didn't
- GS>># want? If abortion was available to the mother of course.It is the mother
- GS>># who wanted to have the child, and she should be the individual who would
- GS>># take care of the child alone.
- GS>>
- GS>>Lemme see if I can 'splain it...
-
- GS>Ok, 'Ricky'. :-)
-
- Ricky???!!???
-
-
- GS>>Here's what women can do to avoid having children they don't want:
- GS>[options deleted]
- GS>>Here's what men can do to avoid having children they don't want:
- GS>[options deleted]
-
- GS>>This about covers it for each gender. For both men and women, the
- GS>>options are slim for people who fail to avoid having children they
- GS>>don't want.
- GS>>
- GS>>I don't think it should be easy for men or women to abandon their
- GS>>children to the hands of the other natural parent just because the
- GS>>steps they took to avoid having children they don't want failed.
- GS>>
- GS>>Do you?
-
- GS>No. But then that doesn't appear to be exactly what Hale was talking
- GS>about. If a man has made it clear to his 'mate' that he doesn't want
- GS>children, and uses appropriate contraception, then why should he be
- GS>responsible for any resulting children? If the woman didn't want children
- GS>either then the man should help pay for an abortion. But, if the woman
- GS>decides *she* wants children then why should he be held responsible for
- GS>her decision?
-
- Indeed!
-
-
- GS>Now, "what about the child"? Well, since the woman in this scenario has
- GS>opted to keep the fetus and have children against the man's wishes she
- GS>should be completely responble for all financial needs. If she can't
- GS>provide for a child that she wants then she should be having children and
- GS>that child should be removed from an incompetent parent.
-
- GS>A poor analogy: If you drive a woman friend to a mall are you responsible
- GS>for half the cost of anything she buys there? I mean, you *knew* there
- GS>was a possibility she might buy something even though you made it clear
- GS>that you didn't want to buy anything. Maybe she told you she just wanted
- GS>to look around but changes her mind. Do you feel that you should be
- GS>liable for half her expenses?
-
- GS>Note: I obviously wouldn't code anything as ambiguous as this into law.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- Why not, Gordon? I agree with the great majority of what you just said
- (amazing that we can agree on something... <-: ), but why wouldn't you
- want to code it into law? How would you provide for a man to divest himself
- from forced responsibility, *without* putting it into law? Indeed, why not
- just make paternity suit regulations much stricter, making sure that there
- has not been a declaration of intent to divest from parenthood, *before*
- beginning the Inquisition?
-
- Surely, *that* sort of solution can't be all that ambiguous, could it?
-
-
- GS>Message to Kodak: Freedom for Dan Bredy.
-
- I recall asking, but I don't recall that you ever replied...? I'm curious, if
- you're willing to explain it...
-
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