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- Path: sparky!uunet!paladin.american.edu!auvm!hersch
- Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:45:36 EST
- From: <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
- Message-ID: <92352.224536HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
- Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc,rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality
- Subject: Re: Morally good necessary possible sometimes possible reproductivenes
- Lines: 73
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- In article <1992Dec17.033855.18603@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu
- (Michael Zeleny) says:
- >
- >
- >No, Mr H, this is not the "cunt nearby" argument. The "cunt nearby"
- >argument is the fallacious claim that it is all right for a man to have
- >sex with anything, as long as he is you, or else there is a foul-mouthed
- >blowhard imbecile like yourself around, who certifies the activity as
- >genuinely progressive, in light of the Whig interpretation of history.
- >
- >HB:
- >>Utterly, utterly, utterly stupid [etc.]
- >
- >Is something bothering you? Then repeat this mantra: "There are no
- >absolutes of any sort; consequently there is no such thing as truth,
- >justice, or beauty; most importantly, there is no such thing as human
- >nature. Therefore, none of my favorite proclivities could conceivably
- >be motivated by my resentful abomination of truth, justice, and beauty;
- >nor could they constitute a perversion of my true nature. I am a
- >paragon of harmony, integrity, and composure. It is my sincere wish
- >that the rest of the world would recognize my peerless merits, and come
- >to think and act in the same way I do."
- >
-
- I am so sorry. I thought that Zeleny was motivated merely by his
- bigotry and stupidity. I was wrong. Apparently, he's got a real
- projective mental disorder. Please note in the passages above that
- he calls someone other than himself a foul-mouthed blowhard
- imbecile. Well, I don't know about the foul-mouthed part; he
- has had no experience of my mouth nor of any of its productions,
- nor have I any of his, lord LORD may it long remain so. But blowhard
- imbecile? This seems quite an apt epithet for Zeleny himself!
- Clearly a blowhard; just read aay two or three sentences that
- he's excreted on the net. And would a non-imbecile assert the
- totally idiotic stuff that he seems to relish? I leave it to the
- readership to decide who is a blowhard imbecile and who is not.
-
- But where the through-the-lookinglass ambiance gets really *spooky*
- is where he seems to imply that someone other than himself has
- set himself up to judge the correctness of various sexual acts.
- Gee, wasn't it Zeleny that did that? I never made any claim of
- morality, immorality, or anything else for any sex act whatever.
- Zeleny, as I recall, claims that certain acts between loving,
- consenting people are *immoral*. That was him, not me.
- He apparently throws the Whig interpretation of history into
- the mix as a way of showing that he remembers what I've said
- on other occasions and can extract something therefrom that
- will mystify the people reading this now, but maybe impress
- them as erudite. *yawn*
-
- He further seems to propose that it is *I* who think myself
- oh-so-extra-special; is this plausible? Or is it not Zeleny
- projecting his own narcissistic auto-eroticism onto someone
- else? Who is it who begs the whole of the usenet community
- to watch him beat off? Me? Or Zeleny? In fact, Zeleny's
- behavior reminds me very much of a line in a play that I saw
- a couple of years ago, at the Loeb in Cambridge, in fact,
- where one character calls another character's literary
- production "bad faith jacking off". That's Zeleny. Bad faith
- jacking off.
-
- >As a disciple of Stirner, you ought to be happy with this credo.
-
- God he's a jerk. "Disciple of Stirner"...yeesh. Discipleship
- may be something that Zeleny indulges in, in his silly little
- Platonic other-world; some of the rest of us are a little more
- able to think for ourselves. This is actually just another
- "whig interpretation of history" remark, and quite unimpressive.
-
- H.
-
- Herschel Browne
- "The" American University
-