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- From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (JESSE MICHAEL FUCHS)
- Subject: Re: Morally good necessary possible sometimes posssible reproductiveness
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- References: <1992Dec16.184450.18580@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:33:48 GMT
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- Michael Zeleny (zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu) wrote:
- > In article <1992Dec16.212451.25986@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- > ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
- >
- > >In article <1992Dec16.152321.18570@husc3.harvard.edu>
- > >zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
- >
- > >>In article <BzCIMK.AK3@unix.amherst.edu>
- > >>jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (JESSE MICHAEL FUCHS) writes:
- >
- > JMF:
- > >>> But anyway, Mickey, you still haven't answered why oral sex between a
- > >>>male and female would be okay (assuming that you feel so,) but that oral sex
- > >>>between two men is bad. I'm pretty sure you can't come up with a logical,
- > >>>clearly stated reason
- >
- > MZ:
- > >>The short form: because only in the former case, the partners can
- > >>switch to a potentially productive venue within their union, at any
- > >>time before the climax. The long form will be found in my latest
- > >>reply to Mike Morris. I await my promised reward.
- >
- > ECL:
- > >Oh, Lord, if this is what passes for "logical and clearly stated" at
- > >Harvard, I weep for the state of higher education in this country.
- >
- > Why stop at weeping? Immediate suicide would constitute the only
- > adequate expression for your grief.
- >
- > ECL:
- > >Even if one grants the premise that a potentially productive union is
- > >some alternate world is necessary for certain configurations to be
- > >approved--and a more ludicrous premise
- >
- > The difference between a premiss and a derived principle is normally
- > covered in an introductory logic course.
- I hate to be the one to break it to you, Mickey, but there are no
- prequisites or course requirements to being on the net. Not all of us have the
- time nor inclination to take a logic course - personally, I think it would be
- fun and useful, but I simply have too many other things to take. If you can't
- explain the difference using precise, clear English, don't even bother to
- bring it up.
- >
- > ECL:
- > > I haven't seen in a long
- > >time--I have no problem seeing that two women or two men could have a
- > >potentially productive union in *some* world. (Maybe it's my science
- > >fiction background.) Therefore, by your "reasoning," their union
- > >should be okay. If you can't envision such a world, that, my friend,
- > >is *your* problem, not mine.
- >
- > Ditto for the difference between the possible and the conceivable.
- I make this point in another post, but what the heck, I'll make it
- again, in a slightly different fashion. A completely, genetically barren
- woman (perhaps one with XY chromosomes, for instance, who didn't get enough
- testosterone in the womb - it's rare, but it happens) suddenly becoming
- fertile is impossible. Certainly conceivable (no pun intended,) but not
- possible.
- >
- > >Evelyn C. Leeper | +1 908 957 2070 | att!mtgzy!ecl or ecl@mtgzy.att.com
- > >--
- > >"God does not play dice with the universe." --Albert Einstein
- > >"Albert, stop telling God what to do." --Niels Bohr
- >
- > cordially,
- > mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
- > "Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
- >
- perkily,
- jesse fuchs@unix.amherst.edu
- "Donde esta el concerto Menudo?
-