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- From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
- Subject: Re: The Recycling Myth
- Message-ID: <1992Dec16.165331.12334@vexcel.com>
- Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
- References: <JMC.92Dec14162758@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> <1992Dec15.161609.12203@vexcel.com> <JMC.92Dec15225956@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:53:31 GMT
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- In article <JMC.92Dec15225956@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
-
- >I should imagine that if the arithmetic had turned out to support
- >Dingo's prejudice that the U.S. was running out of land for landfill,
- >it wouldn't have resulted in his scorn. It is a bit unfair for
- >him to demand a detailed plan in a Newsgroup posting, especially
- >a one paragraph posting by someone not specializing in the matter
- >under discussion. However, we can go a little further.
-
- If the arithmetic included other relevant factors, it wouldn't be
- scorned.
- >
- >1. Concerning individual desires. As to "near their homes and
- >parks", it obviously depends on what you call near. The Palo
- >Alto City Dump is not within a mile of homes, but it isn't far
- >from the yacht harbor (now abandoned for different reasons),
- >a local airport, and a baylands park. I don't know that there
- >was any protest about that.
-
- Okay, there's one. It is clear, however, that many people are
- fighting dumps in their areas. These areas have a landfill
- problem. The Pacific Northwest is a good example. Should they
- send their wastes to Palo Alto? Should they pay huge fess for long
- distance transport?
- >
- >2. Part of the problems in locating dumps is that land in which
- >dumps were expecting to expand, e.g. swamps, now are called
- >wetlands and considered valuable for that purpose. The seagulls
- >feasting off the dump don't count.
-
- "Called wetlands"? Do you suggest that they are not wetlands?
- Do they serve no purpose to humans or hold value for biodiversity?
- >
- >3. Anyone who flies across the country will see that there is
- >plenty of land not being used for anything. I see that the
- >fact that we are factors of many thousands away from using up
- >our potential dump space doesn't impress the anti-arithmetic
- >faction. Oh well, probably my son wouldn't be impressed even
- >though he is good at arithmetic for a second-grader.
-
- Would dumps in such land affect aquifers? Would it be economical
- to transport waste there? How about the added pollution from
- the trucks (citizen groups frequently complain about large-scale
- transportation schemes through their neighborhoods)? Would the
- drivers actually be willing to work for the minimum wage, as you assume?
-
- Mathematics is a fine tool. As with all tools, it has its limits.
- It cannot be used affectively if the necessary variables are
- excluded. Solving a = b + c is irrelevant if a crucial 'd' term
- is ignored. In elementary school, I believe we referred to "word
- problems", which required forming the equations from text. They
- were considered much harder than "math" because we had to evaluate
- the text to determine what math to apply. A calculator is no better
- than the equations it solves. Hey, that sounds like a good .sig!
- >--
- >John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
- >*
- >He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
- >
-
-
- --
-
- dingo in boulder (dean@vexcel.com)
-