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- From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
- Subject: Re: Ticket America-- Negative Nonsense
- In-Reply-To: "Michael Smith"'s message of Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:33:32 GMT
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- Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
- References: <2933457638.13.p00004@psilink.com>
- Date: 14 Dec 92 23:55:16
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- In article <2933457638.13.p00004@psilink.com> "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com> writes:
- >In article <Bz5nC6.E2D@world.std.com> rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
- [inter multa, multa alia]
- >> The eco/phreaks are a singularly uncreative bunch.
- >>They attack the capitalist system (for they are socialists and Luddites)
-
- Socialists *and* Luddites? This is novel. I was under the impression
- that socialists placed a rather high value on the industrial proletariat
- (don't anybody have a coronary about the use of forbidden words here;
- since we're talking about socialists, this is the appropriate
- vocabulary). Indeed, old Dr. Marx thought that the progress of technology
- was a precondition for his vision of human liberation.
-
- Don't these folks ever get tired of this lame, threadbare McCarthyism?
- (I'm referring to the late Senator, not the well-known
- arithmetician.)
-
- --Michael Smith
-
- There is often considerable sympathy among socialists for particular
- manifestations of Luddism, i.e. opposition to the introduction of
- new technology at particular times. Look at the American communist
- newspaper, the Weekly World, for examples from time to time.
- Many socialists, and not only communists, say that under socialism
- new technology will always benefit society, but under capitalism it
- only leads to unemployment and greater exploitation.
-
- Alas, I don't have my Marxist references in my computer database.
- --
- John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
- *
- He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
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