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- From: hathaway@stsci.edu
- Subject: Re: cryptocraft photography, Re: Aurora
- Message-ID: <1992Dec19.005254.1@stsci.edu>
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- Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
- References: <BzB33J.2Av.1@cs.cmu.edu> <1992Dec16.132541.18610@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1go2tvINNhlj@uwm.edu> <1992Dec17.040911.15524@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:52:54 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec17.040911.15524@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
- >
- > anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) writes:
- >>dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
- > >>Were there any photos of the F-117A prior to the official release?
- > >>I don't beleive so, even though it flew for almost a decade.
- > >Yes, at least one in AW&ST, July 10, 1989, p22.
- >
- > Yes... but the "official release" that I was speaking of took place on
- > November 10, 1988. That is when the AF first acknowledged the F-117As
- > existence and released a single photo (which AW&ST of course printed :).
- >
- > >This is sometime after the first flights of the craft in 1981, but of
- > >course all the early flights were done exclusivly at night.
- >
- > The Have Blues flew in 1977, and the first F-117A flew on June 18, 1981.
- > In all that time it seems nobody really managed to catch a good view of
- > them on film (at least nobody without a Senior Trend clearance :)
- >
- > >I'm sure there will be pictures of whatever this/these craft are.
- > I'll certainly be waiting... It may be a while though.
- >
- > >Someone with camera and a telescope lens will catch it.
- > The sky is awfully BIG...
- >
-
- Yes, indeed, it includes everything up there...
-
- However, there are a lot of people observing. I wish the following
- observation could have been recorded on film or tape, but it was a
- visual observation by two people of something we have not yet nailed
- down. If the following were a satellite, it either had to have been
- high up (notice it was seen after midnight EDT) or been low enough
- to pick up and reflect sufficient ground illumination. All attempts
- to match it with known satellites have found nothing. Perhaps it
- was a sighting of this whatever??? I'd sure like to ID it.
- Serious comments most welcome.
-
- description of observation:
-
- Observation: Unknown
- Observers: I. Cooper, W. H. Hathaway
- Date: night of 8-9 JUN 1991
- Time: ~3-5 minutes both before and after 12:40:30 am EDT
- - this time checked via phone while object was
- being followed
- Site: Severn MD, Long: 76 Dg 38 Mn W, Lat: +39 Dg 11 Mn
- With: 10" f/6 Cave Astrola
- Eyepiece: 28mm Meade Orthoscopic
- R.A./Dec: picked up while sweeping for NGC6829 in Cygnus,
- roughly 19-20 Hr, + 50 Degrees,
- followed continuously to vicinity of northern Ophiuchus
- roughly 16-17 Hr, + 10 Degrees,
- until obscured by leaves of large maple tree
- Magnitude: roughly 8th magnitude
- Appearance: ! extended object !, shaped somewhat like a horseshoe, but
- sides squeezed together, or like a sharply closed
- boomerang. Overall size, roughly 1 arcminute.
- (eye-ball comparison with disk of Jupiter)
- Each 'arm' maybe 20 arcsec in width, 40 arcsec in length,
- and the black space between the arms about 10 arcsec in width.
- It looked much like the picture of HST on page 32 in the
- July 1991 Sky and Telescope, but more "U" or "V" shaped
- rather than the skewed "H" shape. Note that was 1 1/4
- arcSECONDS across from a distance of 1000 kilometers.
- The surface texture was reminescent of a planetary nebula,
- though with less surface brightness than the Ring Nebula.
- Slight color - creamy, light brown to tannish - not
- distinguishable from solar reflection.
- Starlight clearly seen in the 'notch' between the arms.
- Starlight possibly visible when passing behind each arm.
- The direction of motion was _not_ along the axis of the
- arms, more like 45 degrees from their intersection.
- No point or point-like lights, no navigation lights,
- colored nor white. Sketch made immediately afterward.
-
- Identification: It had all the familiar steady motion of an
- Earth satellite, but _not_ in a common Direct orbit from
- West to East. Motion actually more like from NE by N to
- SW by S. If a satellite, it was in a near-polar orbit, but
- Retrograde.
-
- Wm. Hathaway
-
-