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- From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO)
- Subject: Re: Crucifixion of Jesus?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec19.192457.26807@hfsi.uucp>
- Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata - FSO)
- Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
- References: <1992Dec10.211744.1@stsci.edu> <1992Dec12.005349.25319@netcom.com> <1992Dec14.034645.791@hfsi.uucp> <1992Dec15.002757.14586@netcom.com> <1992Dec17.180435.17980@hfsi.uucp> <NICHAEL.92Dec18095658@kariba.bbn.com>
- Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:24:57 GMT
- Lines: 58
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- In article <NICHAEL.92Dec18095658@kariba.bbn.com> ncramer@bbn.com writes:
- >ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO) writes:
- >
- > If an author "copies" one account from another changing a few
- > particulars as you characterize the Gospels (I think this is an
- > unfair characterization, it is more accurate to say that they were
- > based off of a common source) ...
- >
- >Then it's safe to say that you don't understand the issue at hand.
-
- No problem...where is my understanding off?
-
- >
- >The authors of the various synoptic Gospels _aren't_ simply telling
- >the same the story. They are by and large, in detail, using the _same
- >words_. Moreover, where they vary from each other --including the
- >introduction and exclusion of specific materials-- it is done in a
- >consistent and clear manner.
-
- 1) I never said that they were independent sources. I only
- disputed if they were copying from each other, or a common source
- (ever hear of Q?)
-
- 2) I think you exagerate a bit. Yes, the passages are similar but
- I don't think a "diff" of the synoptic gospels will be very kind
- as you seem to imply. As I said, IMO it is more accurate to think
- of them based off of a common source or working document.
-
- >
- >There is _no_ sign that these Gospels are the result of random,
- >independent creation.
-
- Did I ever say they were? Please reread my texts again...
-
- >
- >One is, of course, free not to accept the standard model of how the
- >Synoptic Gospels achieved there current state. However, one is _not_
- >free to completely ignore the data.
-
- >
- >The current state of the text of these Gospels has certain specific
- >and well-defined characteristics. And claiming that the Gospels were
- >written by seperate authors working in complete independence and
- >isolation doesn't come close to explaining those characteristics.
- >
- >N
-
- Again, please read posts more carefully before jumping in with a
- reply. I know in the rush of reading many xcns, that sometimes we
- miss certain items or think that the author is saying one thing
- when they really mean another. Heck, I've done that myself a few
- times...but I'm trying to avoid that.
-
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