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- From: bill@bessel.as.utexas.edu (William H. Jefferys)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: Biblical Inerrancy?
- Message-ID: <85379@ut-emx.uucp>
- Date: 15 Dec 92 16:03:35 GMT
- References: <01050133.krusns@distant.uucp>
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- Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin
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- In article <01050133.krusns@distant.uucp> edw%distant@bts.com writes:
- #
- #In article <85133@ut-emx.uucp> (sci.skeptic), bill@bessel.as.utexas.edu (William H. Jefferys) writes:
- #> In article <1992Dec7.190924.2567@bony1.bony.com> billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
- #> #In article <1f6oefINN16i@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
- #> #
- #> #>Amazing the contortions some Christians will go through to preserve the myth of
- #> #>inerrancy, isn't it?
- #> #
- #> #It's obvious you haven't been following the "What did Judas betray?" thread.
- #> #If you had, you'd realize that Avi is Jewish and rabidly anti-Christian.
- #> . ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- #>
- #> This is not only ad-hominem but also anti-semitic.
- #> This person (Bill Gripp) is close to being chucked
- #> into my KILL file.
- #
- #> When I read an article, it doesn't matter to me who
- #> or what the author is, but only if what is said is truthful.
- #> It helps a lot if I can verify what is said from reliable
- #> sources.
- #
- #> But if the argument is that I shouldn't listen to
- #> other people because they are Jewish, or Christian, or
- #> Moslem, or Atheist, or anti-[any of the above], or whatever
- #> other imagined faults may be found with them, then the
- #> opinions expressed are not worthy of respect.
- #
- #What are you, the Thought Police? I don't understand how you misinterpreted
- #this statement so badly. Let's look at it one more time...
- #
- #> #>Amazing the contortions some Christians will go through to preserve the myth of
- #> #>inerrancy, isn't it?
- #> #
- #> #It's obvious you haven't been following the "What did Judas betray?" thread.
- #> #If you had, you'd realize that Avi is Jewish and rabidly anti-Christian.
- #
- #All he's saying is that Avi isn't Christian, and he doesn't fit the
- #Biblical Inerrancy Supporter Character Profile. If anything, *Carl* is guilty
- #of a sweeping generalization, not that I care or anything. You are being a
- #little bit shrill here with the anti-semetism stuff -- perhaps you should
- #calm down. You must really be focused on finding anti-semites if you can
- #totally take this person's message out of context so completely.
-
- By fixating on the word anti-semitic you have missed the
- major point of my post. Here, let me help you out. I'll
- delete the reference to anti-semitic, leaving everything else:
-
- #>
- #> This is ad-hominem.
- #> This person (Bill Gripp) is close to being chucked
- #> into my KILL file.
- #
- #> When I read an article, it doesn't matter to me who
- #> or what the author is, but only if what is said is truthful.
- #> It helps a lot if I can verify what is said from reliable
- #> sources.
- #
- #> But if the argument is that I shouldn't listen to
- #> other people because they are Jewish, or Christian, or
- #> Moslem, or Atheist, or anti-[any of the above], or whatever
- #> other imagined faults may be found with them, then the
- #> opinions expressed are not worthy of respect.
-
- See? Avi had written what I thought was a reasoned
- series of articles. He gave references to support
- what he said. I may not have agreed with him, but
- he was making his case in an appropriate way. Bill
- Gripp's ONLY response was to attack Avi as a person,
- not to attack his arguments. This is the logical
- fallacy of the Argumentum ad Hominem. We don't need
- it here.
-
- I also feel that Bill Gripp's remark was at least
- insensitive. I happened to comment that it was
- anti-semitic (or at least it appeared to me that
- way--I'd be interested to know what the reaction
- of any Jewish readers here, who are better attuned
- to such nuances than I, might be.) In any case,
- this comment wasn't my main point, and I'm sorry
- if that has confused the issue.
-
- Bill
-