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- From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: Crucifixion of Jesus?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec15.002757.14586@netcom.com>
- Date: 15 Dec 92 00:27:57 GMT
- References: <1992Dec10.211744.1@stsci.edu> <1992Dec12.005349.25319@netcom.com> <1992Dec14.034645.791@hfsi.uucp>
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- In article <1992Dec14.034645.791@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata - FSO) writes:
- >
- >Robert, Robert, Robert...again your logic escapes me. When it
- >suits your purpose, you have so much delight expounding the
- >*differences* in the different Gospels suggesting that this author
- >purposely misheld information to make their point, etc, etc.
- >Then, when it is pointed out that all 4 Gospels agree on some
- >point, you poo pah that by saying that two were derived from the
- >third. You cannot have it both ways. If in your mind, the
- >differences in the Gospels take away from their authenticity, then
- >the likeness in the Gospels must add to their authenticity.
-
- When a later author copies an earlier one more or less exactly, it
- neither adds nor subtracts from the earlier account, although it
- does give the original a sort of "vote of confidence." Nonetheless,
- it is NOT an independent source.
-
- But when a later author copies an earlier one in nearly all aspects,
- changing a few particulars, THEN those particulars become extremely
- important, as they were perceived at the time of the second author
- as "problems" in the original story. Such as: the youth who fled
- naked in the garden, Pilate's surprise at how quickly Jesus died,
- Jesus being called "the son of Mary" (which implies an illegitimate
- paternity), Jesus needing to be baptised, etc.
- >
- >The 1 Thessalonian letter is basically a short one (1950 words) with a specific
- >purpose in mind. What logical reason do you have for Paul to have mentioned
- >the crucifixion in that letter specifically?
-
- Arguably, you could be right, there *might* have been no need to mention
- the cross - although we see that by the time he wrote 1 Corinthians,
- Paul had become positively *obsessed* with "the cross." The significance
- of this matter is that 1 Thess. 2:15 quite plainly blames the JEWS, not
- the Romans, for executing Jesus. This implies that, when it was written
- (c. 48) Paul had in mind a Jewish, not a Roman, execution.
- --
-
- Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
-
- Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
-
-
- "Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that
- they are not even superficial."
-
- - Friedrich Nietzsche (The Gay Science: 126)
-