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- From: greg@marvin.uchicago.edu (Greg Kuperberg)
- Subject: Re: a 2 dimensional argument
- Message-ID: <1992Dec14.191410.25237@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Univ. of Chicago
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- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:14:10 GMT
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- In article <Bz90C5.7p1@world.std.com> mica@world.std.com (mitchell swartz) writes:
- > Your suggestion would seem to not include the "observed heat" as a
- > "quantity of radiation". Rather than considering that the "heat"
- > actually observed may, itself, consist of infrared radiation, and phonon
- > radiation (of more than one type), the logic that you purport (and are not
- > alone in claiming) decrees to limit how nature must work. In your forced
- > scheme the existence of phonon and infrared radiation requires the
- > presence of neutrons (etc., and whatever). Why?
-
- Wherefore art thou, neutrons and gammas?
-
- It's not the logic that I purport, it's the logic that the skeptics
- purport, and of course I'm not alone in claiming it, since I'm deliberately
- parroting what other people say.
-
- You suggest that a nuclear reaction, rather than producing one or two
- gamma photons, might produce ten million infrared photons. You're
- right, I overlooked that possibility. I guess that means my goose is
- cooked and my scheme is forced. Or at least that of the unruly gang of
- skeptics, to which I may or may not belong.
-
- The next time I meet someone in the Cold Fusion Skeptics Society, I'll
- ask him whether or not there is an orthodoxy yet for whether, why, and
- under what circumstances nuclear reactions produce infrared photons.
- Also ultraviolet, microwave, and visible photons, as well as phonons,
- polarons, magnetons, gravitons, and naked beauty (known as naked bottom
- to the crudes in the US).
-
- > The only such similar couplings of which I am aware of are those
- > through Hilbert Space wherein the polarization(s) that a material does
- > undergo when wrought with an applied electric (or magnetic field in the
- > equivalent) are linked to the conduction(s) which that material also
- > undergoes.
-
- Hilbert Space, Banach Space, Lobatchevsky Space, Minkowski Space, Phase
- Space, Eilenberg-MacLane Space, no doubt the couplings occur through one
- of these spaces.
-
- > [Given your topology background, one more question. I assume the field
- > has advanced considerably since I was painting donuts almost four decades
- > ago to find the chromatic number (7, I think) required to paint a
- > maximally-colored-yet-distinct map on its outer toroidal surface.
-
- The chromatic number of toroidal maps is indeed 7, assuming that
- countries have no isolated pieces as Russia and the United States do.
- I'm told that on a 17-holed torus it's 17. Two guys with a computer
- code claim that it's 4 for the sphere, but I personally think
- that the argument has no hole when the surface does, and vice-versa.
-