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- From: radford@cs.toronto.edu (Radford Neal)
- Subject: Re: Special relativity is SOOO irritating!
- Message-ID: <92Dec18.124837edt.547@neuron.ai.toronto.edu>
- Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
- References: <92Dec16.141330edt.547@neuron.ai.toronto.edu> <D91ANDIV.92Dec16235901@astmatix.IDA.LiU.SE> <92Dec17.135011edt.815@neuron.ai.toronto.edu> <1992Dec18.000855.11867@novell.com>
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- Date: 18 Dec 92 17:48:59 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec18.000855.11867@novell.com> dseeman@novell.com (Daniel Seeman) writes:
-
- >>If you prefer, we can assume that the staff really does impact the wall.
- >>In this case, however, one can't assume that the staff is perfectly rigid,
- >>since that would require that the impact be propagated to the end of the
- >>staff instantaneously. What will happen is that the staff will be compressed
- >>(in the intertial frame in which it was previously at rest). We _can_ assume
- >>that this is temporary, and that the staff will later rebound to its origninal
- >>length. In this case, the answer is that the hatch can be closed, and that
- >>the tail end of the staff will smash into it when the staff rebounds to its
- >>full one metre length.
- >>
- >> Radford Neal
- >
- >Hey, isn't that pretty much what I said in my posting? One would see sort of a
- >"virtual" rebound as the rod accelerates back into the rest frame of the wall
- >and the hatch so the stick would poke back through the hatch. So, is this idea
- >correct or not?
-
- Yes and no. Your original assumption that the staff is stopped by the
- wall without being deformed is not just unlikely, but quite
- impossible, according to special relativity. You have two choices -
- either the staff is stopped by the wall, but is deformed, in a very
- real sense, or it is stopped by some other process that leaves it
- undeformed, and just happens to come to rest in front of the wall. The
- answers in the two cases are different. In the first cases, the rod
- does rebound and hit the hatch, but this rebound is not in any sense
- "virtual" - it is just as real as the rebound of any other compressed,
- elastic object. In the second case, there is no rebound, and you can't
- even close the hatch to start with.
-
- Radford Neal
-