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- From: holmes@opal.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
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- Subject: Re: Truth again
- Message-ID: <1992Dec14.201453.17282@guinness.idbsu.edu>
- Date: 14 Dec 92 20:14:53 GMT
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- In article <1gib6mINN76i@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> PL436000@brownvm.brown.edu (Jamie) writes:
- >From: solan@smauguio.no (Svein Olav G. Nyberg)
- >
- >|> Anyway. I think what Randall showed is not that a sentence in itself
- >|> is true, you're right. IF "a sentence in itself" is understood to
- >|> mean an UNINTERPRETED sentence. But what does seem correct is that
- >|> a sentence can be thought of as interpreted in a context in which
- >|> there is no one to interpret it. THAT is what Randall showed.
- >
- >>No, Randall showed that a conviction\belief can be true even if
- >>non-checkable. (It does make asignment of truth value in those
- >>cases rather arbitrary, though.)
- >
- >Huh?
- >I have no idea why you think he showed that.
-
- Neither do I. I'm on Jamie's side of this argument; truth (of
- sentences in a certain language) is not defined in terms of observers
- or interpreters. Take my argument and apply it, further, to the truth
- or falsehood of a sentence which has never in fact been uttered by
- anyone (it would be self-defeating for me to give a counterexample,
- but counting arguments show that there are such). I don't agree with
- Jamie on "types and tokens" (sentences are not equivalence classes of
- tokens), precisely because the canons which determine truth or
- falsehood of a sentence could in fact be applied to the so far
- unuttered sentence which has no "tokens" at all; I think of sentences
- as abstract objects of the same order as numbers. By the way, there
- is nothing arbitrary about the assignment of truth value to the kind
- of sentence in my example; it is simply that we are not in a position
- to find out what the correct assignment is.
-
- [...]
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- >
- >Jamie
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- The opinions expressed | --Sincerely,
- above are not the "official" | M. Randall Holmes
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