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- From: solan@smauguio.no (Svein Olav G. Nyberg)
- Subject: Re: Truth
- Message-ID: <1992Dec11.182457.8566@ulrik.uio.no>
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- Reply-To: solan@smauguio.no (Svein Olav G. Nyberg)
- Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
- References: <ByyErH.B3x@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1g3332INN4tc@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> <ByztD4.B9G@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Dec9.164414.17977@guinness.idbsu.edu> <1992Dec10.131628.4192@ulrik.uio.no> <1gahkjINNd44@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>
- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:24:57 GMT
- Lines: 67
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- In article <1gahkjINNd44@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, PL436000@brownvm.brown.edu
- () writes:
- |> Oh, sure, just because Randall is a more respected member of the
- |> newsgroup, answer him and not me. Even though *I* said it first.
- |> I'm crushed.
- |>
- |> Anyway. I think what Randall showed is not that a sentence in itself
- |> is true, you're right. IF "a sentence in itself" is understood to
- |> mean an UNINTERPRETED sentence. But what does seem correct is that
- |> a sentence can be thought of as interpreted in a context in which
- |> there is no one to interpret it. THAT is what Randall showed.
-
- No, Randall showed that a conviction\belief can be true even if
- non-checkable. (It does make asignment of truth value in those
- cases rather arbitrary, though.)
-
- What is a sentence?
-
- If you mean by sentence an expressed and understood statement,
- even though not checked for truth-value or other content, you
- are right above, and I apologize.
-
- If you mean something else, like just the sound floating in the
- air, or the semblance of letters on a piece of paper, you┤re
- wrong. Randall has shown nothing of the kind you then imply.
-
- But I might just INTERPRET your sentences wrong, of course. I did
- assume we were speaking English, and that ... what am I doing?
- You┤re gonna interpret this - right? Who knows if you do not
- interpret according to a code only you know, and read what I have
- written above as - SHOOT ME! Ouch - what have I started?!
-
- |> And then it DOES follow that sentences can be thought of as true or
- |> false independently of interpreters.
- |> But not, obviously, independently of interpretations.
-
- Well, as indicated above, interpretation can be diverse.
- Should we not then go for _intended_ interpretation, at
- least in some fashion.
-
- But what becomes truth then, is not the sentence at all,
- but the interpreted _meaning_.
-
- |> >You place the truth in sentences, not in beliefs of persons.
- |> >I really find that nonsensical. If I just "interpreted" the
- |> >lamp before me in the right fashion, it would too, according
- |> >to paralell arguments, be "true" or "false" about another
- |> >thing entirely.
- |>
- |> Right. More strictly, relative to an interpretation of the lamp,
- |> it COULD be true or false. Whether there were an interpreter there
- |> to do the interpreting or not.
-
- But then, as said above, it wouldn┤t be the lamp that was true
- or false, would it. Not even the lamp _qua_interpreted_ either.
- The truth would be ...
-
- |> Jamie
-
- Hope you┤re not the Jamie that Aerosmith sing[?] about.
-
-
- Saa kan vi se om du kan si om denne norske setningen er sann:
- "En daare kan spoerre mer enn ti vise kan svare."
-
- Om verden staar til paaske,
- Solan
-