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- From: hoey@AIC.NRL.Navy.Mil (Dan Hoey)
- Newsgroups: sci.math.symbolic,sci.math,alt.uu.math.misc,misc.forsale
- Subject: More lies and abuses from Weiguang Huang (was SIMTEL-20 symbolic...)
- Message-ID: <9212161717.hoey@aic.nrl.navy.mil>
- Date: 16 Dec 92 22:17:23 GMT
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- When Charles Yeomans suggested that Weiguang Huang's advertisements
- constituted commercial use of the net, Huang replied:
-
- > I don't think so. Because I answered the question about SIMTEL20
- > software posted by Li and SymbMath is not commerical.
-
- There are four reasons I don't believe that reply.
-
- First, Li asked how to get software from SIMTEL-20. Huang's post did
- not answer the question, it only told how to get Symbmath, not any of
- the other software on SIMTEL-20.
-
- Second, Li requested a response by email. Not only did Huang post his
- reply to the net, he added three other newsgroups in which the
- question had not been asked. That is not answering the question, it
- is advertising.
-
- Third, Li asked the question eight days before Huang answered it.
- That is a little odd. Usually, after a week the question has been
- answered and there's no reason to answer it any more. I suspect Huang
- was only looking for an excuse to post his advertisement. But that
- eight-day gap is relatively mild by Huang's standards. Last week he
- posted an advertisement that was putatively in response to a request
- for information posted in August! Does anyone think he's concerned
- that someone might have been waiting for his advertisement for three
- months? And on that one, he added four newsgroups that the question
- wasn't asked on. And he included the 30-line product announcement he
- posted to seven newsgroups less than two weeks earlier. Of course,
- just in case your system might accidentally drop these gems, he puts a
- six-month expiration date on them. Go hire a billboard, Huang.
-
- Fourth, Huang says Symbmath is not commercial. That is an outright
- lie. The version available through FTP is the type of commercial
- software misleadingly called ``shareware'', in which people are
- permitted to use the software for free to see if it is useful to them,
- but are required to pay money for continued use of the software.
- Shareware is commercial software, it just relies on the honesty of the
- user to collect the money. And just in case anyone might be tempted
- to use the shareware version of Symbmath without paying for it, Huang
- has crippled it by taking out all but the most trivial uses. If you
- want to do anything real with it, you'd better be prepared to pay up
- front for the expensive version.
-
- Huang's repeated, verbose, intentionally deceptive advertisements are
- _precisely_ why advertising on the network is a bad thing. If you
- want to spend your news reading time wading through ads from every
- parasite who thinks they can make a buck off Usenet readers, then
- sending money to Huang is a great way of encouraging it.
-
- In light of this, Huang's accusation of commercial use by Kate
- Atherley of Maple Technical Support is a pathetic slander. She
- responded to a question asking which version of Maple would run on a
- PC, and she answered it promptly and concisely, with a phone number
- and net address in case anyone wanted to go looking for more details
- or a sales pitch.
-
- There are newsgroups in which advertisments are permitted, even
- encouraged. One such is misc.forsale, to which I have directed
- followups to this message. Take the ads away from sci.math,
- sci.math.symbolic, and all the other newsgroups in which
- advertisements are not welcome.
-
- Dan Hoey
- Hoey@AIC.NRL.Navy.Mil
-
- [ In case anyone cares, I don't use Symbmath or Maple. I occasionally
- use Mathematica, and I used to use Macsyma. I have no connection
- with any of the companies that make symbolic mathematics software.
- But I read Usenet news, and I don't want to have to wade through ads
- from every advertiser who thinks they can make money off of readers
- of a particular newsgroup. This post is an attempt to discourage
- advertisers from posting ads to noncommercial newsgroups. It is not
- enough to ignore Huang, because his abuse of Usenet welcomes other
- parasites in these and other groups. ]
-