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- From: mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel)
- Subject: Re: Alleged shortage of mathematicians (was Re: M
- Message-ID: <1992Dec17.183124.10150@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
- Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Toronto
- References: <1992Dec11.213755.18417@husc3.harvard.edu> <1413@kepler1.rentec.com> <1992Dec17.001527.18598@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:31:24 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec17.001527.18598@husc3.harvard.edu> kubo@boucher.harvard.edu
- (Tal Kubo) writes:
- >I should have said, chemistry done in industry, rather than chemical
- >engineering (which as you point out is sufficiently different to vitiate
- >the original analogy). Although industry may be ahead in certain parts of
- >that field, the situation is in general that new ideas are developed in
- >academia and optimized in industry. (At least that's the consensus among
- >chemists to whom I've spoken.)
-
- I think you had better drop this example and think up another one.
- I'm about as pure a chemist as you're ever likely to meet, and even
- I wouldn't make that statement. As much new chemistry is done in
- industrial laboratories as in academic ones. The principal difference
- is that the industrial chemists almost never publish, often because
- their companies rightly expect to be able to patent and profit from the
- discoveries of their employees. Academic chemists are of course a
- little more likely to pursue highly speculative ideas with no obvious
- application, but chemistry is still in such a state that entirely new
- chemistry can be explored even while trying to solve old problems in
- industry. I have no idea what it's like in other fields.
-
- >Publications aside, I see this as part of a more general problem with
- >private employment, where you miss out on a lot of opportunities to meet
- >people outside your own backyard. The mechanisms for doing so are much
- >better developed in academia (visiting scholars, colloquia, sabbatical
- >leave, conferences, travel grants, etc). Employers are gradually becoming
- >more enlightened in this respect, though.
-
- You must not go to the right conferences. At SIAM conferences, a
- large proportion of the participants and an even larger proportion of
- the general attendance consists of industrial mathematicians. This was
- true even at the recent Conference on Dynamical Systems, a field which
- shows much promise but is hardly a mainstay of industrial mathematics at
- this point.
- Since I'm not a mathematician, it's difficult for me to comment
- with any authority on this matter, but doesn't the very existence of
- SIAM shed some doubt on this part of your argument? SIAM is supported
- in part by direct corporate sponsorships. Some companies clearly
- think that fostering contacts among industrial mathematicians is
- important.
-
- Marc R. Roussel
- mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
-