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- From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
- Newsgroups: sci.math,comp.edu,misc.education
- Subject: Re: Education crisis (was RE: how much math...)
- Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:33:27 GMT
- Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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- I said:
- |It doesn't have to be all-or-nothing, either. I'd say that high school is
- |an intermediate stage, in which there are a *few* specific curriculum areas
- |that are important (and math is one of them), but also there should be
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- |plenty of time allowed for students to pursue their own interests.
- | [...] I think
- |it's important that high school kids learn to read and write, for example,
- |but it wouldn't be the end of the world if they mostly just read and write
- |science fiction, or horse stories, or whatever turns them on. Especially if
- |their teachers can unearth a few examples of really good writing within the
- |genre.
-
- hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
- >So this kid who has only read science fiction, etc., now finds himself as
- >a high school student, or later, wanting to get into physics or chemistry
- >or astronomy. There are years of fundamentals to be made up before this
- >can be done. There is even the question of whether the mental abilities
- >involved in precise thinking are gone.
- >
- >So do we write this guy off as a permanent mathematical illiterate? It is
- >doubtful that he will be willing to spend at least two years learning basic
- >high school mathematics before doing anything significant in a field of
- >science.
-
-
- Geez, are you deliberately misunderstanding me, or what???
-
- I said that the math curriculum is important. I agreed with you about
- the importance of formal reasoning and precise thinking.
-
- Then I said that high school is full of a lot of stuff that *isn't* so
- important. _Ivanhoe_ in 7th grade. _Hamlet_ in 10th grade. I think
- that even high school chemistry is not so crucial -- when I was an MIT
- freshman they taught us chemistry as if we'd never seen any before.
-
- I suggested that if a kid happens to get very interested in something,
- as often happens (my example was computer programming, but it could
- be _Hamlet_, too), it would be better to ease up on all the thousands
- of silly things schools teach kids and leave some space for a serious
- commitment to whatever the field of interest might be, while still
- having a *small* core curriculum that we want to make sure everyone learns.
-
- I suggested that reading and writing should be in the core curriculum,
- but not reading or writing anything in particular.
-
- I believe that if you had actually read my message before flaming about
- it, you would see that I am on your side.
-