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- From: pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt)
- Subject: Re: Philosophy of Pi
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- Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
- References: <1992Dec11.155846.10861@ee.ubc.ca> <COLUMBUS.92Dec11123510@strident.think.com>
- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:05:38 GMT
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- In article <COLUMBUS.92Dec11123510@strident.think.com> columbus@strident.think.com (Michael Weiss) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec11.155846.10861@ee.ubc.ca> bdow@ee.ubc.ca (DOW BRUCE
- >PAUL) writes:
- >
- > I'm looking for some opinions on Pi. Lately I have been thinking about it
- > a lot. Does anybody know why Pi equals what it does? Why is it an irrational
- > number? Why is it between 3 and 4 in magnitude? Does it stem from the circle
- > alone? What is it about the circle that gives Pi its value? I know Pi can
- > be derived without using the circle (differential equations, infinite series).
- > What determines the value of Pi? Does it have something to do with time and
- > space in a three-dimensional universe? Would Pi have a different value in
- > another universe? Or is it a constant in any universe obeying the laws of
- > Euclidean geometry? [...]
- >
- >Boy, are you asking for it in this newsgroup! But I won't flame; here are
- >three answers.
- >
- >1. Why does Pi equal what it does? Well, what do you mean by Pi? The use
- > of (quick, count on my fingers!) the 14th letter of the Greek alphabet
- > to represent the ratio of circumference of the circle to its diameter
- > is due to Jones, a contemporary of Newton. (You wouldn't ask, "Why is
- > a robin a bird?", would you? Maybe, "Why do English speaking people
- > call that feathered thing over there a `robin'?"--- but that's
- > for a different newsgroup.)
- >
- >2. Pi was first proved irrational by Lambert, I forget when. [...]
- >
- >3. Would Pi have a different value in a different universe? [...]
-
- I think the last formulation does the most justice to the spirit of
- this question. So let's imagine a universe where circles are square.
- Then pi used to compute the perimeter would vary between 2.828 (2
- sqrt(2)) and 4 depending on where you measured the diameter, and if
- used to compute the area would vary between 2 and 4. The arithmetic
- mean of these four quantities is 3.207107 while their geometric mean is
- 3.084422. The arithmetic and geometric means of *those* two quantities
- is in turn 3.145764 and 3.145166, and after one more iteration they
- have converged to 3.145465, within .1% of pi for round circles.
-
- So square wheels should work very well on average. :-)
-
- Any volunteers to compute pi for octagons or 16-agons?
- --
- Vaughan Pratt All knowledge resides in the going odds
-