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- From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
- Newsgroups: sci.electronics,rec.autos.tech,sci.energy
- Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
- Message-ID: <51674@seismo.CSS.GOV>
- Date: 18 Dec 92 23:35:05 GMT
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- In article <gfATnhq00iUzI1mV0H@andrew.cmu.edu>, cd1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Bradley Devlin) writes:
- >
- > What is all this talkk of particles blowing through the housing? What
- > particles? The original premise was that these flywheels disintegrate
-
- particles of the destroyed rotor
-
- > into a light cotton like fiber. Heat, yeah, but how much kinetic energy
- > does a flying piece of cotton have?
-
- The same as it did when it was part of the rotor - one hell of a lot.
- Plenty to blow through any of the simplistic housing proposed in this
- discussion. Remember, kinetic energy is 0.5 M V^2. The M may not be a
- lot, but the V is beyond anything in your experience (these discussions
- of speeding trucks and bullets are just nonsense in comparison). And it's
- the V that's squared there. The impact of the fiber with the housing
- is well beyond any elastic limits - it generates a shock wave in the housing,
- and melts or even vaporizes the housing at the point of impact.
-
- > And there are ways of dealing with too much heat. How about ceramic
- > thick films on the inside of the housing as thermal sheilds? Or a
- > ceramic housing?
-
- Ceramic. Big deal. A meteor melts the rocks it impacts and it is not
- moving as fast as the flywheel rotor - and ceramic is nothing more than
- glassy rock. It will melt.
-
- > I think I'll look these up, does anyone have a reference?
-
- Look what up? The melting temperatures for ceramics? Lots of references,
- but you don't understand the physics here. The particles have so much
- energy that they will melt any solid in existance. This has more to
- do with the molecular behavior of the material - the impact velocity is
- so high that the atoms are forced well beyond any sound speeds. They
- then form a shockwave, completely disordeing the material, leaving it
- in a fluid state and creating a great deal of heat. Just check some
- sound velocities and compare that to the velocity of the particles from the
- rotor. That starts to give you an idea of what kind of regime we're in.
-
-
- --
- Richard Stead
- Center for Seismic Studies
- Arlington, VA
- stead@seismo.css.gov
-