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- From: miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114)
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- Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
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- Date: 18 Dec 92 16:20:13 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec17.123430.24528@hellgate.utah.edu> llarsen%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Loren Larsen) writes:
-
- >Sense? Okay, let's suppose you own a business and you have just a few
- >big customers and one of those customers is much bigger than the rest. So
- >you decide to get together with your board of directors and design a plan to
- >put your biggest customer out of business. Who in their right mind would
- >do that? So now, explain to me what the Japanese have to gain by putting
- >out of business their strongest customer, in fact their only strong
- >customer.
-
- They can then run that customer's business themselves.
-
- >BZZT! WRONG! Consider that almost 80% of all Honda cars are made from
- >the ground up in the US. Seems to me that injects quite a bit of money
- >into our economy.
-
- That's what they want you to think. They are not made from the ground up,
- they are ASSEMBLED from the ground up. There is a BIG difference. Do you think
- that they just give us the parts to do this?
-
- All we've done is put a car together - a task requiring comparatively little
- skill. All the stuff requiring highly-skilled labor (which is where the
- money is) has already been done - in Japan.
-
- >More and more manufacturing by Japanese firms is moving
- >to the US. Why? The cost of transportation is a very large portion of the
- >final cost of a product now. Why? Advances in manufacturing have been
- >tremendous over the past decade. Advances in transportation have been much
- >less. Airplanes are no faster and not much bigger, neither are the boats
- >that transport them. The labor to load goods has just increased. So it
- >is much to the advantage of the Japanese to move their factories right next
- >to their best customers.
-
- You're darned right it's to their advantage. But call them assembly lines,
- not factories.
-
- >Besides that, we have a resource they don't have,
- >land. What do the Japanese do with their profts? They invest it in America.
- >Only about 2% of the profit from a Honda motor car goes back to Japan.
-
- 2% of the assembly, maybe. Don't forget, the parts used to assemble that
- car were Made in Japan. Assembling that car here costs them about $700.
-
- >What does it mean when people lose their jobs? Is society and more poor?
- >Nope, the good is still being produced and probably for less money because
- >more frequently than anything their job was eliminated because the need for
- >that person's work output has now been automated or made more efficient
- >through technology. So we have the same output AND we have freed up that
- >person to do something else. Society has gained. That person has not gained
- >though, at least not immediately. Now they can go start a business, learn a
- >new skill which will advance technology even more. THE problem is that people
- >don't believe the last sentence. THE problem is that we don't as a country
- >provide training for people to go and learn new things. THE problem is we
- >expect that when we lose our job that we are going to find another one just
- >like it.
-
- The problem is that people out of work find it very difficult to start a
- business, learn new skills, believe in sentences like that. The problem is
- that people out of work don't pay taxes and without taxes the government
- can't afford to retrain anyone. The problem is that when you lose your
- job you have to find a similar one because retraining takes time - time
- without a paycheck.
- --
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