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- From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
- Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.energy,rec.autos.tech
- Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
- Date: 17 Dec 1992 06:57:13 GMT
- Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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- In article <BzE2oz.I4H@ns1.nodak.edu>, csmith@plains.NoDak.edu (Carl Smith) writes:
- >I am not going to argue the above point, but consider this. If you are
- >going to measure danger by the amount of stored energy, then which is
- >more dangerous when it explodes? A flywheel that has enough energy to
- >move a car 100 miles at freeway speeds, or a tank of gasoline with enough
- >energy to move a car at greater-than-highway speeds for 300 miles?
-
- The tank of gasoline, of course. I certainly wouldn't want to be standing
- anywhere near a fuel/air bomb using ~8 gallons of gasoline if it went off. Of
- course, should the gasoline ignite after a car's been in an accident, you're
- highly unlikely to have much fuel-air mixture that's at explosive proportions.
- That 8 gallons of gasoline will take quite some time to burn off. The same
- can't be said for your flywheel.
-
- >>Unless you wrap the flywheel in a massive enough container that it can absorb
- >>all that energy without vaporizing, you're going to have an explosion.
- >
- >Why bother, we don't wrap our gas tanks in a container that would contain
- >their explosion?
-
- There's no way you're going to burn a full tank of gasoline in a fraction of a
- second. The difference in the power of the two explosions in question will be
- orders of magnitude.
-
- >The point I am trying to make is that flywheels may be dangerous, but driving
- >around with 20 gallons of gasoline strapped to the bottom of your car in a
- >thin sheet metal container is A LOT MORE dangerous.
-
- Depends on which is more likely to fail. If the flywheel fails, you're going
- to have a lot more powerful failure mode than if the fuel tank fails.
-
- >But we consider that
- >risk as acceptable considering the convenience that we get from our cars.
- >So, why the worry about deriving the same convenience from a lesser danger?
- >Because people are not used to doing it every day...
-
- Show me a flywheel which, if it fails, will take on the order of half an hour
- to spin down, and I'll grant that your claim has some merit. However, if your
- flywheel spins down in a fraction of a second, it's going to be a lot worse
- than a fuel tank rupturing and igniting, unless you've got something that can
- absorb all that energy.
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- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL
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- Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My
- understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So
- unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
- organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
- hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
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