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- From: gorelik@xsoft.xerox.com (Mike Gorelik)
- Newsgroups: sci.econ,alt.amateur-comp,talk.politics.misc,misc.misc
- Subject: Re: GM Plant Closures Again? Won't Solve the Economic Problems
- Message-ID: <1992Dec16.233506.4160@xsoft.xerox.com>
- Date: 16 Dec 92 23:35:06 GMT
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- In <1992Dec14.185844.6519@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
- |> In <1992Dec10.010753.10523@xsoft.xerox.com> gorelik@xsoft.xerox.com (Mike Gorelik) writes:
- |> >In <1992Dec9.225007.8348@hal.com>, bobp@hal.com (Bob Pendleton) writes:
- |>
- |>
- |> >|> But let me decide if I want to work 80 hours a week or not.
- |>
- |> >If you want it, fine. But what if you want to work 40 hours
- |> >and your employer wants you for 80? For 40 hours pay. Than what?
- |>
- |> Same as if he wants me to work for 40 hours but only get 20 hours pay
- |> - I say no. This sanction seems to work quite adequately already.
-
- I'm glad your job is secure, I really do. What about people who are not
- so fortunate? Should employer have power to work them any number of hours?
-
- |>
- |> >
- |> >How about a law about time and half overtime pay? I bet you would hate
- |> >to take home 2.5 times your regular paycheck for your 80 hours weeks.
- |>
- |> Cute idea.
- Thank you, it is not mine. Some places in this country, many (most, all?) corps
- in Japan pay overtime to all non-management employees.
-
- |> Only one problem - if you aren't being seriously
- |> underpaid,
- Compare to what?
- |> time and a half makes you a bad deal.
-
- Why we pay $10 for overnight delivery? It is a bad deal compare to a regular 29c
- letter, no? Overtime work is something unusual and sudden, a premium
- over standard wage rate is, usually or should be, justified.
- For an employer to get that extra service for free is a steal-deal, as with all
- free services it is being overused and misused.
-
- |> At Oracle, hourly
- |> employees need to get special permission to work over 40 hours a week.
- |> Usually they don't get it because the work they do isn't worth 1.5
- |> times their base salary
- Or there is a line of people ready to fill additional positions at the company and
- do that work for the base salary.
-
- |> - if it was we would be paying them that much base.
- Most businesses are not as humane and people caring as Oracle apparently is.
- Most businesses set pay based on labor market situation subject to
- business and regulatory constrains. It is likely that some
- Oracle employees in the developing countries produce as much
- for company as US based employees, yet Oracle pays them
- wages which are set locally.
-
- |> --
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- |> I am not an official Oracle spokesman. I speak for myself and no one else.
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- --
- mike gorelik
-
- To save energy light at the end of the tunnel was turned off.
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