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- From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
- Subject: Re: GM Plant Closures Again? Won't Solve the Economic Problems
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- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:19:47 GMT
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- In article <1glcjkINNlgk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> au329@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ronda Hauben) writes:
-
- >>> That's why there should be shorter hours laws - the people
- >>> who do the work are a precious resource and society needs to
- >>> defend them.
-
- Well, they're getting a lot less precious! See the current issue
- of _Fortune_ (cover story) for a discussion of trends in labor.
- More and more jobs are disappearing overseas -- all kinds: manu-
- facturing, design, and service. Scary stuff.
-
-
- >For example, I feel unions are an important right and that
- >the law against the employer paying a worker's union dues
- >so the worker can't be in a union is a violation of
- >that right.
-
- I don't think an employer should either be required to pay an
- employers union dues or required NOT to pay them!
-
- By the same token I strongly object to anyone taking a job
- being required to join or otherwise support a union. A
- friend of mine was hired at a unionized job recently. He
- was told that technically he didn't *have* to join, but the
- dues would still be deducted from his paycheck!
-
-
- >>BTW, I'm exempt from the labor laws. I'm classed as an engineer.
-
- The job I referred to in the above story was a computer
- programming job.
-
- My wife, who used to be a teacher, was also forced to join the
- Mass. Teacher's Association against her will.
-
- If I needed a job and the only one I could get was a union job
- I would take it, but I doubt I would ever voluntarily join a
- union. I've seen what they do: a friend of mine used to work
- at a major defense contractor in Massachusetts. The techs that
- did wire-wrapping had a union contract to wrap so many posts
- a day. If they happened to finish that many by 3:30 they would
- hang out and *do nothing* until 5:00 quitting time! My
- friend had a calculator with an AC adaptor. He had to move his
- desk out from the wall a few inches to plug in the adaptor.
- He got called on the carpet for that by management since moving
- furniture is a union job and some union guy complained!
-
- The correct solution to having good working conditions and good
- worker treatment is to have an economy that's strong enough
- so it generates so many jobs that workers are always in demand.
- During the 1980's when sotfware engineers and EE's were in
- demand their pay, working conditions, and job security were
- superb.
-
-
- ---peter
-
-