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- From: felixg@coop.com (Felix Gallo)
- Subject: Re: PKP/RSA comments on PGP legality
- Organization: Cooperative Computing, Inc.
- Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:49:47 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec18.154947.26478@coop.com>
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- strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
- >
- >When mathew asks where he can get his free copy of RSAREF I fear he
- >is being both misleading and disingenuous.
- >[...because he's in Europe...]
- >He can't get RSAREF since it falls under the Munitions Act.
-
- You're also being both misleading and disingenuous. I'm in America,
- and I can't legally use anything based on RSAREF (including the
- current *netrek* client), because I'm not an American citizen.
-
- "Where you are" has nothing to do with it. "Who you are" is the
- crux of the matter. As an emissary of Her Majesty's Government,
- it's assumed that I'm going to perform Nasty Acts of Espionage
- if I ever get my hands on US-produced cryptographic material.
- As a result, it's made illegal for American citizens to give me
- such material.
-
- The intelligent people out there -- mathew, for instance --
- recognize that imposing bans on easily-transmissible information
- is utterly stupid. If the Enemies of the State *want* RSAREF
- (or whatever), they can very easily get it. So why make things
- difficult on the regular humans? Why make it hard for me to play
- netrek?
-
- Let's pretend that underneath my quiet, reserved Systems Analyst
- clothes there's an Evil Spy who wants to steal RSA stuff and
- communicate with the Evil Headquarters at will.
-
- Evil Spy dials the Evil Headquarters direct with a proprietary
- modem. Evil Spy downloads a proprietary encryption executable
- which has been crypted. Evil Spy decrypts the executable with
- information from a book cypher posted in a falsified article in
- rec.sport.basketball.pro. Evil Spy uses secret methods to get
- ahold of RSA-based executables or source (the netrek client,
- for instance). Evil Spy encrypts the Important Military Secret
- with his proprietary executable, uuencodes it, converts it to
- EBCDIC, and forges an alt.binary.pictures.erotica jpeg posting
- with the low bit of every byte containing another bit of the
- EBCDIC bytecodes. He then puts the real jpeg up for anonymous
- ftp on a porn gif site so that Evil Headquarters can determine
- what the correct decoding scheme is. At the same time, he posts
- twenty other gifs and engages in routine chatter in
- rec.sport.basketball.pro and other newsgroups.
-
- I'm *quite confident* that there's no way in hell that the NSA
- (or anyone else, for that matter) could determine what was going
- on in time to stop the transmission of information. As soon as
- the information is transmitted, of course, I have diplomatic
- immunity and a plane home to Stoke-on-Trent. Evil Spy mission
- accomplished.
-
- This even works for suitably low values of "proprietary encryption
- executable" and "secret methods to get ahold of RSA-based executables."
- One could use a 30-line table lookup C program for the first and
- anonymous ftp to any number of places for the second.
-
- >Ethics is hard, sometimes, but trust me--it's worth it.
-
- You're accidentally interpreting a missive from the government as
- a code of ethics. Ethics come from the inside. I consider it
- unethical to, for instance, monitor or record day-to-day communications
- without a warrant or reason to suspect criminal activity -- yet the
- NSA [reportedly] does this frequently. I also consider it unethical
- to support dictatorial regimes, to trade American and Iraqi lives for
- oil, to wage undeclared wars using illegally-obtained funds, and
- to sell weapons of mass destruction on the global market. I do not
- consider it unethical to communicate in a private fashion.
-
- My problem with you, Mr. Sternlight, is that you're correct in
- your support of the legal issues, but incorrect in your support (or
- ignorance) of their basis. Yes, a country that has a decent code of
- laws which the people obey is a good country. No, the law that states
- that mathematical algorithms can be patented is not a realistic nor
- a fair law. No, the law that states that security of information is
- limited to the government only is not a realistic nor a fair law.
-
- We as individuals posting to these newsgroups are not, in general,
- presidents of major international corporations or wealthy cryptoanalysis
- enthusiasts. We're students, programmers, systems analysts, and computer
- specialists. As such, we lack both the resources and the time to
- challenge the government in the areas in which it is wrong; perhaps by
- ignoring its unenforceable policies, we'll be able to build a groundswell
- which will eventually overcome the ignorance evident in the high places
- of our country.
-
- >David
-
-
- Felix Gallo
- Systems Analyst, Cooperative Computing Inc.
- (512) 328 2300 felixg@coop.com
-