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- From: schneier@chinet.chi.il.us (Bruce Schneier)
- Subject: Re: Enlarging key size of the DES algorithm
- Message-ID: <BzDp6F.6zn@chinet.chi.il.us>
- Keywords: DES, key size
- Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
- References: <6681@tuegate.tue.nl>
- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:54:15 GMT
- Lines: 49
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- In article <6681@tuegate.tue.nl> bartjan@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Bartjan Wattel) writes:
- >Hi,
- >
- >I'm currently working on a project which involves the design of a DES cryto-
- >chip. When reading some papers on this subject, it appeared to me that there
- >is a great need for enlarging the number of bits used in the cipher key. I read
- >about an implementation of the DES with a cipher key of 768 bits in the paper
- >of T.Kropf, J.Fr"ossl, W.Beller and T.Giesler: A hardware implementation of a
- >modified DES-algorithm, in North-Holland Micorprocessing and Microprogramming
- >30, 1990.
- >
- >Questions:
- >
- > 1) Does anybody know the reason(s) for the number of circular left shifts
- > which are performed on the cipher key each iteration in the original
- > DES algorithm ?
-
- They are designed to mix up the key. As to the actual reason that particular
- number was chosen...that is shrouded in mystery.
-
- > 2) Does anybody know of other modifications concerning the key size ?
-
- There have been many. None of them are any good. Biham and Shamir showed
- that DES with independent subkeys (the 768-bit key variant you mentnion) is no
- more secure than DES. Something else called GDES was also shown to be no more
- secure than DES. The security of DES seems pretty much limited to a 56-bit
- key.
-
- > 3) Do modifications exist which have been published or proposed by the
- > NBS, or do other (de facto) standard modifications exist ?
-
- No.
-
- By the way, I knew about the DES-with-independent-subkeys variant, but I did
- not have a reference for it. Could you please E-Mail me with the complete
- citation for the article you mentioned in your post. A physical copy of the
- article in my mailbox would be even better.
-
- Thanks,
- Bruce
-
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