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- From: kary@col.hp.com (Dan Kary)
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- Subject: Re: Webelos - Summer Camp
- Date: 13 Dec 1992 02:02:23 GMT
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- mturner@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Mark Turner) writes:
- > Our council runs a week-long day camp in each of the three districts.
-
- Pikes Peak Council in Colorado Springs does much the same thing. There
- is a National Camp School program for Day Camp Directors and Program
- Directors. Usually it is run twice in each Region in January and February.
- Like most training events the training is organized and presented by
- volunteers with a professional staff advisor. The year I went it was great,
- the next year the attendees from our Council said it wasn't worth the trip.
-
- > The council also has a severl-day resident camp for Cub Scouts and Webelos
- > (separate) at the council camp about 40 miles from town.
-
- Pikes Peak Council also does a resident camp, there are 2 half week sessions
- run the week after the regular summer camp ends. The camp is open to Cubs
- of all ages, each Cub is required to have an adult partner attending with
- him. One adult with 2 Cubs is permitted with permission from the camp
- director. I went twice with my younger son. It was without doubt the best
- scouting experience I've ever had (and I've done a few things). The program
- includes swimming, boating, archery, BB gun shooting, crafts, nature, etc.
- Pretty much the kind of things you'd expect Cubs to do outdoors. The 1:1
- ratio between parents and boys is what made it so special for me. At most
- outings there are a few adults and lots of boys. Even though I've gone on
- literally dozens of Boy Scout camping trips with my older son, I've never
- spent as much time with him on campouts as I did with my younger son at
- resident camp. The age difference has something to do with it, Cubs are
- young enough that they still would rather be with a parent than just about
- anyone else, at Boy Scout age they are ready to start breaking away. The
- presence of older boys tends to encourage this in my opinion and I think it
- is a good thing. But I do regret not having the resident camp experience
- with my older son, I was just not aware of it when he was a Cub. Our Council
- has about 4000 Cubs, about 1500 will go to Day Camp but only about 150 will
- go to resident camp. The cost is about $90 for the Cub and adult partner for
- 4 days and 3 nights. There is also a National Camp School program for Resident
- Camp Directors and Program Directors, also conducted by Region.
-
- > At roundtable last night a proposal was brought up to hold a week-long
- > family camp at the council camp at the end of the summer camp season. The
- > program would be aimed at Cub-scout aged people, including female siblings
- > using Girl Scout and Campfire program materials. The consensus of those
- > present was that the $80 per person proposed charge was too high, and that
- > older siblings needed program activities as well. I doubt that the
- > proposal will go anywhere. Any experience with this sort of thing elsewhere?
-
- If the $80 includes meals served in the camp dining hall, I'd sure like to
- know what anyone was complaining about! A program like you describe is run
- by the Philmont Training Center (PTC). The PTC is a cluster of buildings and a
- tent city adjacent to the Villa Philmonte, just down the road from the Philmont
- High Adventure Base near Cimarron, New Mexico. The purpose of the PTC is to
- provide training on Scouting topics of District and Council level interest.
- There are typically programs for Key 3, Roundtable, etc. To attend you need
- an invitation from the Chief Scout Executive (Ben Love), talk to your DE.
- Councils decide who they would like to attend and forward the names to the
- National Council. It is actually a little late to be trying to get into PTC
- this summer, but since it is a Jamboree year your chances of getting in are
- better since many Scouters active in Council and District functions will be
- at the Jamboree. If you go to a training program at PTC, your family is also
- invited. Programs are conducted for boys, girls and spouses (male or female)
- by age groups. They conduct a Cub Day Camp for 7 - 10 year boys, a Boy Scout
- Summer Camp (Rocky Mountain Scout Camp) for 11 - 12 year boys, and a high
- adventure backpack trek for boys, girls, men and women 13 and up. There are
- also programs for girls in several age categories.
-
- I went to PTC with my family in 1989. The program I attended was an
- introduction to The New Troop Plan implemented in 1990 (new First Class
- Advancement, New Boy Patrol, etc). My younger son went to Cub Day Camp,
- my older son went to RMSC, my daughter went to a program for 10 year old
- girls and my wife went to her choice of spouse programs. RMSC is several
- miles from PTC, so we didn't see our older son until the end of the week.
- The rest of us stayed in the tent city. The total cost was about $700 for
- my family of 5, this included meals served in the dining hall, lodging in
- the tent city and all program materials except my wife's craft projects.
- My wife said it was the best vacation she ever had, no cooking, no cleaning
- and paid professionals to take care of the kids all day every day. I can't
- imagine where else you can get all that for so little money.
-
- The training I received at PTC was the best I've had in my scouting career.
- The trainers were mostly volunteers, but they were people with very extensive
- experience. Each course also has an advisor from the National Council, my
- course advisor was T.J. Van Houten who at the time was advisor to the
- Advancement Committee of the National Council (volunteers). His job included
- writing merit badge pamphlets, venture pamphlets, etc. It seems when I talk
- to the local DE's they never have good answers to difficult questions. Let
- me tell you, the executives from National Council are people who give straight
- answers to tough questions. Even they were stumped on a couple occasions,
- but they always came back the next session or next day with good answers. It
- was reassuring to see that there is such a high level of professionalism at
- National Council. In the local councils I've been involved with it has always
- been very clearly the case that there is far more scouting knowledge,
- experience and spirit in the volunteers than in the professional staff.
-
- You or your DE can write to PTC to get pamphlets and a schedule of their
- programs. They will include an overview of the various age group programs
- and you can get a schedule of daily activities in each program if you request
- it. This would be an excellent starting point for the Council camp that was
- proposed at your roundtable. The various National Camp Schools can provide
- training on organizing and conducting the various age level programs.
-
- > -- Mark Turner
- > mturner@henson.cc.wwu.edu
- > Committee Chair, Pack 2, Bellingham, Washington
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