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- From: jrauser@staff.tc.umn.edu (Johnny R.)
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- Sorry for those of you who got this twice. It was first posted with a
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- In <6484.2b1f92b5@hayes.com> bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
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- >In article <1992Dec02.170624.6435@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, mkfeil@bcrki9.bnr.ca (Max Feil) writes:
-
- [much nonsense deleted]
-
- >Action / Reaction and Bernoulli both account for the lift of a wing. Both.
- >Indeed, in some ways they are manifestations of the same thing.
-
- >In certain types of wing designs, Bernoulli plays less of a role. It is,
- >nevertheless, always present.
-
- What?!? Listen to what you are saying. How can I make a mathematical
- relationship somehow less effective by designing a wing in a
- particular way?
-
- You seem to be saying that somwhere in the world there is a big book
- where I can look up the percentage contributions of Newtonian
- mechanics, and the Bernoulli equation to the lift of a given airfoil
- at a given angle of attack.
-
- In reality, if one wanted to calculate the lift and drag
- characteristics of an airfoil analytically, one would use Newtonian
- mechanics and the conservation laws, to develop the Navier-Stokes
- equations, and Prandtl's boundary layer equations. Solve them
- (probably numerically) for the particular flow field of interest, and
- arrive at a velocity distribution. Then one would use the Bernoulli
- equation (or some other method) to determine, from the velocity
- distribution, what the pressure distribution over the airfoil looks
- like. One would then integrate this pressure distribution over the
- airfoil, and reslove the lift and drag components of the total force.
-
- Lift is _caused_ by the interaction of air molecules with their
- neighbor molecules and a nearby airfoil. Saying that lift is somehow
- _caused_ through a combination of the Bernoulli effect and Newtonian
- mechanics doesn't make any sense. The Bernoulli equation can be
- _used_ (in part) to _describe_ why lift happens, and how it works, but
- to say that it _causes_ lift is meaningless. If you don't buy this,
- tell me how much of the lift of a given airfoil is attributable to the
- Kutta-Joukowski lift theorem, or for that matter Prandtl's lifting line
- theory.
-
- >Bill Coleman, AA4LR ! CIS: 76067,2327 AppleLink: D1958
-
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