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- From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
- Subject: Re: How to network 3-4 home machines cheaply?
- Message-ID: <Bz88n7.KCx@ddsw1.mcs.com>
- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:09:06 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec10.153444.9033@tinman.mke.ab.com> tdphette@mke.ab.com (Thad Phetteplace x4461) writes:
- >css@tron.stx.com (Chris Shenton) writes:
- >:
- >: My housemate and I want to network our machines (3 UNIX and 1 LISP)
- >: together. Three of these have Thicknet connectors, one has no ethernet
- >: yet. What's the cheapest way to connect 'em all up?
- >:
- >: Seems like running a thicknet rib in the attic and buying all the
- >: transceivers and cables would be real pricey. And I can't even
- >: directly connect two machines, can I?
- >
- >You cannot connect two endpoint thicknet nodes directly together.
- >There must be a properly terminated bus between the nodes.
-
- Correct. One possibility is a multidrop transceiver (several makes; Canary
- makes one) with a short piece of coax & 2 terminators. This may be cheaper
- than two separate transceivers, but then again it might not.
-
- Note that if you do this with a multiport transceiver you still need
- external media of SOME type. DO NOT get a multiport 10BaseT transceiver or
- you'll need another transceiver on the other end to meet the media
- requirement! With a thin coax transceiver the requirement can be met with a
- few feet of coax, 2 terminators and a T connector.
-
- >: I could get a few Thick-to-10BaseT transceivers, but wouldn't I then
- >: have to buy a 10BaseT hub to interconnect them? What would be the
- >: price on a 4-8 channel hub? Could I at least connect two machines by a
- >: direct (point-to-point) 10BaseT line?
- >
- >You cannot directly connect two 10BaseT trancievers, You need some
- >sort of hub in the middle to assert the the signals properly.
-
- Incorrect. You >can< directly connect TWO, and ONLY TWO, 10BaseT devices
- without a hub. The pairs are 1/2 & 3/6. You flip them in the cable and
- presto -- it works.
-
- This is explicitly allowed in the specifications.
-
- >I don't
- >have prices for 4-8 channel concentrators, we buy 100+ channel boxes
- >here at Allen-Bradley. I'm guessing they are more expensive than
- >you'd be willing to pay.
-
- An 8 port concentrator can be had for ~$300.00 if you shop around hard.
-
- >: Getting a Thicknet-to-Thinnet seems like it might work, then I connect
- >: 'em all up with coax ``T'' connectors. Is this doable?
- >
- >Yes, and probably much cheaper than buying twisted pair tranceivers and
- >a hub. This is actually a very popular choice for many small business.
- >Twisted pair doesn't start to pay for itself until the number of nodes
- >reaches a certain point (definetly more than 4).
- >
- >Last time I checked you could get a transceiver as cheap as $50 if you
- >shop around. I forget how much coax costs but I remember it was cheap
- >in comparison to the other costs involved (less that $1 per foot).
-
- Yep. However, be careful with the connectors. The "twist on" ones at Rat
- Shack look attractive, but have a nasty failure rate if the cable gets
- flexed.
-
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