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- From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
- Subject: Re: Why is Sun abandoning SunOS4.1.3?
- Message-ID: <root.724889649@maui>
- Date: 20 Dec 92 22:14:09 GMT
- References: <1992Dec19.221627.20632@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- In <1992Dec19.221627.20632@midway.uchicago.edu> epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin) writes:
-
- >Why is Sun losing touch with their customer base? First, they
- >use and continue to use a ridiculous, ugly windowing manager (olwm) despite
- >the fact that a majority of their users use mwm. OpenWindows is fine
- >but I want Sun to provide mwm. Yes, I hate paying $250 for a license
- >for every Sun we buy.
-
- Personally, I think Motif is as awful as something dreamed up by Microsoft
- and HP would be expected to be. I much prefer the Open Look look and
- feel to the Motif look and feel.
-
- If Sun included Motif, I would have to pay for software that *I* don't
- want, so I prefer Open Look.
-
- >Now, Sun is abandoning SunOS!!! The question IS NOT why don't vendors
-
- No they aren't, Solaris 2.0 is SunOS 5.0.
-
- >port their apps but WHY can't I run my old apps on new, faster hardware?
-
- You can run many of them in compatibility mode.
-
- >Sun is supposed to be custoemer responsive and built its successes on
- >meeting user's needs where traditional, large computer makers used
- >proprietary software and OS's. Now, they're telling everyone to
- >abandon their old knowledge and apps for a new OS. What does Solaris
-
- What's with the "Now" stuff? They've been saying this since they announced
- SVr4. Haven't you been listening to the Sun rhetoric for the last three
- years?
-
- >incorporate that they could not put into SunOS??? Buying old hardware
- >to support an old OS is not an option in my opinion. They should not
- >have caused such confusion in the first place.
-
- Solaris *is* SunOS (and OpenWindows) so if they put OpenWindows into
- SunOS, you'd have even more to complain about, wouldn't you?
-
- >If this is the direction that Sun is taking, then they will definitely
- >alienate people who bought their machines. Sun is no better and no
- >worse than other vendors who say, "do what we tell you to do when we
- >tell you to do it. if you don't listen to us, we won't supprt your old
- >os forever and you won't be able to run our newest and fastest machines"
-
- Although I prefer BSD to SVr4, what sun is doing is understandable.
- If they *don't* change with the times, they'll end up being like
- Microsoft or Apple.
-
- >This is the straw which will cause me to stop being Suns and start
- >purchasing new machines which seem more customer-oriented. I
- >have been really impressed with the way DEC is remanaging their
- >business and producing fast machines (i.e. Alpha). I hate the
- >fact that our group works on VAXs, MIPs machines, and SUNs. However,
- >with this ultimatum by Sun, I will not continue to purchase their
- >machines.
-
- You'll switch vendors (which is an even bigger change) because you
- weren't willing to listen? This doesn't make any sense.
-
- --
- Ken Bibb "he heard the snow falling faintly through the
- kbibb@qualcomm.com universe and faintly falling, like the descent of
- jester@crash.cts.com their last end, upon all the living and the dead."
- --"The Dead", James Joyce
-