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- From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
- Subject: Re: Sun's GUI and OS mistakes (was Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec18.182401.7736@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>
- Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
- Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
- References: <1992Dec10.213305.18495@news.dfrf.nasa.gov> <BEAULIEU.92Dec16084643@piranha.bose.com> <1992Dec16.185356.17158@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:24:01 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec16.185356.17158@midway.uchicago.edu> epc1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >In article <BEAULIEU.92Dec16084643@piranha.bose.com> beaulieu@bose.com (Larry Beaulieu) writes:
- >>
- >>> Oh my god, first OpenLook and now UNIX. Sun better remember what
- >>
- >> Oh, you mean 'BrokenLook'.
- >
- >I wholeheartedly agree with this. I mean, what is Sun's problem? No one
- >I know uses OpenLook or wants to. The last several surveys I've seen
- >showed that Motif on Suns are more popular than OpenLook on Suns.
-
- The survey that was posted here recently indicated that 60+% of "seats" use
- olwm, *and* 60+% of "seats" use Motif. I'd really love to know how that works.
- Looks like more of the old "lies, damn lies, and statistics" stuff to me.
-
- We provide all of OpenWindows, X11R4 and X11R5 here on our Suns (can't afford
- Motif for 80+ workstations), and let the users choose. The default setup for
- new users was OW, and most of them stuck with that because it was a *lot*
- easier to customize than plain X11. I used to use twm and X11R4 myself, but
- switched when I found that a) I couldn't answer people's questions, and b) a
- lot of commercial Sun apps don't work *quite* right in plain X. About the only
- thing I miss is the wireframe popup that allowed placement of a window where
- *I* wanted it. Other than that, sure, there's lots of little inconveniences
- and it's slow to start up, but you get used to all of that (and just how often
- do you start it up, anyway? Not very often for most people with their own
- workstation on their desk).
-
- There may be other implications when you start getting into development for
- windowing systems, but I really think far too big a deal is being made of this
- for plain ordinary non-hacker users who just want to get their work done. It's
- just another personal preference issue at that level.
- --
- Ruth Milner NRAO/VLA Socorro NM
- Computing Division Head rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
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