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- From: Malcolm Pradhan <pradhan@camis.stanford.edu>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
- Subject: Re: News on Bedrock
- Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:45:33 GMT
- Organization: Section of Medical Informatics, Stanford University
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- In article <1992Dec16.063404.13991@leland.Stanford.EDU> Ramon M.
- Felciano, felciano@summit.stanford.edu writes:
- >It wasn't clear how Apple's system software would fit into this. There
- >will definitely be support on the Macintosh side for any new toolboxes
- >(e.g. Quickdraw GX, OCE), but if a Windows version isn't there at the
- >same time, what's the point of porting? Yug.
-
- This is the plot! The attraction of cross-platform development
- while seducing the developer to take advantage of the neat stuff
- on the Mac side. A sort of bait and hook, except the bait is pretty
- cool.
-
- In a lot of ways Bedrock is a good political move for Apple, even if
- the Windows <-> Mac stuff doesn't work as well as developers would
- like. Apple is gradually losing out to the argument that the Mac
- isn't "open" (nb. "open" <> unix). They will be able to point to
- Bedrock and say that you can port programs to other platforms. Even
- if developers have a hard time, managers will get the all important
- warm feeling inside. I suppose you have to compare the effort to
- porting XWindows/Motif code between unix platforms, which is not a
- "no-brainer" either...
-
- >It really seems that the current approach to OOP isn't delivering its
- >promises. Eiffel and Smalltalk do better, but they have different
- >programming environments.
-
- It's easy to confuse framework with language with development
- environment. People on the info-dylan list claim that dylan will fit
- in with future frameworks (ie Bedrock) but this is unclear
- considering Bedrock is Symantec's baby. (Dylan is hoping to be an
- incrementally compiling, high performance language without the
- baggage of lisp - so your minimum application size is not 1.2 Mb.)
-
- Thank you for the report.
-
- Regards,
- Malcolm
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- Malcolm Pradhan
- Section on Medical Informatics
- MSOB X-215, Stanford University, CA, 94305
- pradhan@camis.stanford.edu (415) 725-3398
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