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- From: gurgle@netcom.com (Pete Gontier)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
- Subject: Re: Bedrock, What Do We Know So Far?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec16.055944.17580@netcom.com>
- Date: 16 Dec 92 05:59:44 GMT
- References: <1992Dec15.231532.9635@ncar.ucar.edu>
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- urban@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Art Urban (PROFS)) writes:
-
- >Okay, so I keep hearing about Bedrock.
-
- I just got back from a Software Entrepeneur's Forum meeting
- in which some Bedrock folks disclosed almost nothing that I
- hadn't already seen in the press. But it happens to be fresh
- in my mind at this very second, so maybe I can say something
- useful.
-
- > I hear that there will be no further upgrades to MacApp due to Bedrock.
-
- There will be no MacApp 4. There will be bug fixes to MacApp 3.
- Bedrock *is* MacApp 4. Or MacApp 3 is Bedrock 0, to misquote
- the Symantec guy. That doesn't mean Bedrock looks a whole lot
- like MacApp; I got the impression that the concepts were similar
- but the names have been changed to protect the guilty. This is
- a little bit less interesting than the earlier story patrolling
- the press about how Bedrock used MacApp as a core. Apparently
- no longer true.
-
- > Bedrock's developers have a sword of Damocles hanging over their
- > heads while they talk.
-
- It's worse than that. The Symantec guy at the meeting said "We
- hope to have an early development version out (to selected
- developers) in April." When someone pointed out they were supposed
- to ship in the first half of 1993, and that meant, roughly, June,
- the Symantec guy's response was "It's a hard problem."
-
- >So my question is, what do we really know about Bedrock? What is it? Can I
- >stop using TCL?
-
- Symantec sees TCL as a different sort of scale and a different sort
- of class library. Bedrock is supposed to be an application framework,
- as opposed to an interface class library. (TCL folks call their beastie
- an application framework, too; go figure.) Being not any too
- familiiar with TCL, I'm at a loss to come with the essence of
- the difference the Symantec guy was trying to communicate.
-
- As a side note, whenever anybody asked about specific TCL issues,
- the Symantec guy would defer to "the Bedford (MA) guy", who of
- course was 3000 miles away from the meeting. I wonder which
- THINK guy he meant...
-
- >Will there be *good* documentation?
-
- Apparently, there may be several forms of online documentation in
- addition to whatever quality dead trees they ship.
-
- >Will it include an interface construction kit? What will it do?
- >What will it not do?
-
- There will be something along the lines of MacApp ViewEdit. They also
- made noises about a more general-purpose resource editor but were not
- terribly specific.
-
- >Who are the developers?
-
- Symantec and Apple.
-
- >When *might* we see it?
-
- You might guess I'm a bit skeptical about the projected ship date.
-
- >Will it be Apple's answer to NeXT's NeXT Step? ...
-
- I think not. NeXTStep is much more integrated than Bedrock seems
- to be. That doesn't mean it's better or worse. But hell, NeXTStep
- is supposed to be running on the 486 RSN, so I don't think this
- is a particularly interesting interaction.
-
- >I'm interested in all information, no matter how trivial. Perhaps we
- >should begin compiling this info for other wanaknows...
-
- Write the SEF for the newsletter about the meeting. Or go to MacWorld
- and see the same presentation. I'm better at answering questions
- than presenting summaries.
- --
- Pete Gontier // EC Technology // gurgle@netcom.com
-