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- From: RSD@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Research SW Design, D Goldman,PRT)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3
- Subject: * Takeover Proposal *
- Message-ID: <724754122.1168942@AppleLink.Apple.COM>
- Date: 19 Dec 92 08:23:00 GMT
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- Organization: AppleLink Gateway
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- Are you all as nervous as I am about Bedrock? Here are a few of the things that
- have me worried at this point:
-
- - Possible exorbitant license fee. ($10K??? Annual, or what?)
- - Possible additional exorbitant license fee for source code.
- - Possible non-availability of source code. (Anyone who reads MacAppTech$ will
- agree that any substantial project will definitely need read-access to source
- just to figure out how to use some of the framework's features, and will almost
- certainly need write-access to repair framework bugs.)
- - Questionable degree of direct Apple involvement, per one recent report -
- - bad, because Apple should definitely be involved for timely introduction
- of new managers, etc.
- - good?, because Apple has such a dismal track record of standing behind
- its frameworks after convincing us developers to use them
- - Questions about WHICH former MacApp creators are helping create Bedrock. (All
- of the names I recognize from the past 3 years of MacAppTech$ and MADA
- conference reports now have "Taligent" in their e-mail addresses, not
- "Symantec".)
- - Delivery date????
-
-
- So maybe I should plan on keeping my Mac app in MacApp 3.0x forever, and worry
- about picking a separate platform for the eventual Windows and UNIX versions.
- But the problems with MacApp 3.0x include:
-
- - Uncertainty whether bug-fix releases will continue, and for how long. (A
- recent posting from Kent Sandvik seemed to suggest that at least some "fixes"
- are simply going to be added to the "Known Bugs" document, rather than to the
- code itself.)
- - Growing obsolescence of the framework, as it falls further and further behind
- Mac OS development.
-
- Now, maybe the Component Workshop will blow both of these frameworks from
- consideration. If not, though, then I have a SERIOUS proposal regarding MacApp:
-
- ****************************************************************
- * Somebody, probably MADA, should BUY MacApp from Apple, and *
- * hire a few good people to maintain and update it. Full time. *
- * Without transfering them to other projects every six months. *
- ****************************************************************
-
- I'm *not* proposing that MADA create MacApp 4.0. But wouldn't it be nice if
- there were SOMEBODY reviewing all of the bug reports and discussions on
- MacAppTech$ who would then actually change the MacApp source code accordingly?
- A LOT of the bug reports are trivial little fixes, with no worries about
- distant side-effects, so why should every MacApp developer always have to
- individually modify his/her MacApp source?
-
- If somebody writes a new module for MacApp (a QuickTime-displaying window, for
- example) or rewrites the source to provide a new feature (Object Model support,
- for example), why can't the rest of us benefit from that work? If the creator
- doesn't want to give away his/her work for free (and judging by the history of
- the Class Room project, that seems to be a problem for some people), then MADA
- could BUY the rights to add it to MacApp.
-
- I would be happy to subscribe to a quarterly CD from MADA. Or maybe Apple would
- be willing to distribute MADA's MacApp on ETO. (Then Apple management could
- finish what it has started, and COMPLETELY eliminate Apple's budget for MacApp
- support.)
-
- My basic proposal is this: if Apple is not going to continue FULL support for
- MacApp, then they should sell it to somebody else who WILL. There are plenty of
- us out here with financial stakes in our current MacApp work to help subsidize
- such an effort.
-
- Perhaps some of you will have a reaction?
-
- -- Dave Goldman
- Research Software Design
-
- P.S. I'll download the archives next week, but in the meantime I would
- certainly appreciate your sending a copy of your responses directly to me
- (ALink: RSD; Internet: RSD@applelink.apple.com)
-
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