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- From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
- Subject: Re: History was made today...
- Message-ID: <BzKJv6.ECI@cs.uiuc.edu>
- Date: 20 Dec 92 17:42:41 GMT
- Article-I.D.: cs.BzKJv6.ECI
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- Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
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- wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:
-
- >In article <parkyn.724609082@sfu.ca| parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn) writes:
- >|hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker) writes:
- >|
- >|*** Don't you wish you had any money NOW to buy IBM?
- >|
- >That's a 65 percent drop since its high in 1987 which is about as low
- >as things can get. The problem is that it may take quite a while
- >to rise.
-
- I don't know enough about how to analyze IBM to tell if it
- is really low or not. In Barron's, it reports:
-
- "A money manager we know who did short IBM - in the 80s - and covered
- too soon - 60 (he's a nice fellow but suffers from an
- atrocious lack of greed) - is still skeptical of the stock.
- He expects the dividend to be cut in half and points out that
- means the shares at 48 or so would be yielding 5%, hardly
- enough in his book to support a stock that may at best
- earn $2.50-$3 next year. He doesn't see why IBM should
- sell at more than 10 times earnings."
-
- What is this money manager saying?
-
- Earnings $2.50-$3, P/E = 10, price = $25-$30,
- Earnings $2.75, P/E = 10 price = $27.50
-
- He is saying there is no reason why IBM should sell
- for more than $25-$30.
-
- Pretty frightening.
- I think this is a little too pessimistic.
-
- Let's accept the earnings forecast of $2.50-$3
-
- Looking at some comparable P/E ratios in the computer industry,
-
- Amdahl: 8
- Apple: 13
- Atari: 5
- Commodore: 5
- Compaq: 20
- Dell: 20
- Hewlett Packard: 19
-
- I would say that IBM is not as bad as Amdahl, because it
- has more R & D and a lot of resources.
- A more reasonable comparison might be a company like Apple.
-
- Earnings $2.50-$3, P/E = 13, price = $32.50-$39
- Earnings $2.75, P/E = 13 price = $35.75
-
- So, IBM could get a lot lower according to this probably
- flawed analysis. Maybe someone with more skill/knowledge
- at this sort of thing could provide a better estimate.
-
- But, I think it would definitely be dangerous to buy
- IBM on the grounds that "it is about as low as it can get".
-
- -Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
-