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- From: dseeman@novell.com (Daniel Seeman)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.novell
- Subject: Re: *** WARNING *** Novell + QuickTime = Disaster
- Message-ID: <1992Dec17.005718.23550@novell.com>
- Date: 17 Dec 92 00:57:18 GMT
- References: <60sis-b@massey.ac.nz>
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- Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
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- In article <60sis-b@massey.ac.nz> N.Perry@massey.ac.nz writes:
- >
- >Just in case this is unknown:
- >
- >Apple NZ & our Apple Education Centre were running some courses on
- >campus and wished to use some of my software as demos. However I was
- >going to be in OZ so I had to leave the software on the Novell file
- >server so they could pick it up an demo it. Result: "Not a valid movie
- >file" whenever they tried to run a movie during the demo :-( :-(.
- >
- >I've tracked this down to the Novell server altering files in someway
- >(I think I know how, but until its confirmed no rumors) which results
- >in the connection between a QuickTime movie reference (i.e. a pasted
- >movie in some document or application) and the QuickTime data file
- >being invalidated - so none of your pasted movies will work :-( :-(. If
- >you open the ORIGINAL movie file it will still play, and re-pasting it
- >will also work.
- >
- >WARNING: DO NOT place ANY QuickTime movie files on Novell file servers
- >to which you have references, EVEN if you move the
- >documents/applications containing the references. This problem has
- >been confirmed using the ScrapBook as well as my own software.
- >
- >This problem may also affect other programs, not just QuickTime, but
- >we have not found any so far.
- >
- >Moral: Don't use so called "multi-platform" file servers which are
- >really just DOS is disguise (personal opinion!). Novell DOES NOT
- >PROVIDE A TRANSPARENT MAC FILE SYSTEM.
- >
- >Systems: Mac LC, Quadra, System 7.0.1, System 7.1, Novell 3.11 + 3.011
- >for the Mac.
- >--
- Hi,
-
- I do not have much experience with the products you mention. But one thing does
- come to mind.The time stamps on Mac files are altered when copied to the server.
- This is done because the time stamp given to files that were created on a true
- Macintosh volume are (my vocabulary is failing me at the moment)---well of a
- different format than those given to files that are copied to or created on the
- NetWare volume. In short, the Macintosh file's time stamp has to be converted
- to that format which is used by the NetWare OS. If this is the case, there is
- probably a fairly simple RESEDITable solution. You will need to find out what
- the time stamps are on the files that cannot be used, then use RESEDIT to find
- where these files are referenced in the application. Just make sure these
- time stamps match up. It is easiest to change the application's resources
- rather than changing every file which is on the server.
-
- If you have seen the System 7.0 network installer, you will have
- noticed it does not work. It gets about 2/3 finished then reports it cannot
- find a couple of files. But when you look on the volume, the files are there!
- The problem in this case was that the time stamps (in seconds) were getting
- changed when these files were copied to the NetWare volume. The fix was to
- RESEDIT the installer script so that it was looking for the "right" time on
- the file. Apple has since fixed this problem on their side by making sure that
- all the files had consistant (even) time stamps. Therefore, you will not find
- problems when installing System 7.1 from a NetWare server.
-
- I mention the above System 7.0 problem/fix to illustrate the possibility that
- these time stamps could be the problem you observed. Why don't you look into
- this and let us know what happens?
-
- I just talked with another engineer who said the problem may be caused by hard
- file paths in the application. It is his position that this is probably more
- likely the problem rather than the above mentioned time stamp problem. If this
- is the problem, you have the option to "hack" the application's script(s) or to
- get the maker of said application to not hard code the file paths...So, again,
- let us all know what happens.
-
- I hope this helps...
-
- Think Peace, and Happy Holiday!
-
- Dan Seeman
- Novell
- Walnut Creek, Ca.
-