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- From: segall+@cs.cmu.edu (Edward Segall)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
- Subject: BAD Experiences with APS - Please read!
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- Date: 20 Dec 92 22:06:43 GMT
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- It seems that I am virtually the only person who has had bad
- experiences with APS. And these are not little annoyances (I have had
- those, too, but that's not what I'm referring to here). Rather, APS
- has given me some seriously wrong tech support in the past, and has
- steadfastly refused to cooperate in a meaningful way (at least not far
- enough to solve the problem), or to accept the possibility that they
- are doing anything wrong.
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- Before I go any further, let me make it clear that APS is, in many
- ways, the best mail order organization that I have run into, and that
- their tech support is unusually good. HOWEVER, when faced with
- problems they do not know how to solve, they usually refuse to accept
- that fact, and instead insist that the customer is at fault. Since
- they are in general very good, this situation only occurs in unusual
- circumstances. Consequently, the customer is left totally without
- recourse, while in a difficult situation.
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- EXAMPLE: SCSI problems. I and others who have communicated with me
- have had SCSI problems when hooking up APS external drives (Quantums)
- and getting them to boot properly. In this situation, APS has the
- customer run through a suite of activities, including changing
- termination, drive ordering, drivers, cables, and testing the driver
- with APS Power Tools. If the customer does everything APS says, and
- APS Power Tools shows no errors, then APS simply refuses to accept
- that there is a problem with their hardware or software. Yet, months
- after I and others have had such problems, APS' documentation referred
- to a fix for an "obscure bug" associated with setting SCSI IDs, which
- I believe was the culprit in my situation. So it seems, at least,
- that it really was their fault. This fact does not bother me nearly
- as much as their attitude. Since they convinced me the problem was on
- my end, I tried many expensive and time-consuming fixes that ended up
- being totally irrelevant.
-
- EXAMPLE: Drive errors. System errors and corrupted files are symtoms
- that should cause one to suspect one's disk or driver. Again, APS
- claims that if APS Power Tools doesn't show any errors, then there is
- no problem with their h/w or s/w, since Power Tools does "the same
- thing as the MacOS or any application". Guess what, APS?
- Silverlining shows that the APS driver experiences errors when run on
- an accelerated SE (Novy Image Pro, 25 MHz 68030). Yes, APS was aware
- of the setup.
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- Silverlining's multiple synchronization options allowed me to pick a
- driver combination that has eliminated such errors. APS was WRONG,
- and I will never use their driver on non-apple hardware again.
-
- EXAMPLE: Intermittent problems. I had an APS drive that would work
- fine most of the time, but fail intermittently in a bad way - garbage
- on the screen, buzzing noises, etc. This only occurred during boot,
- and only when the drive was cold (a fact that took me weeks or months
- to observe, due to its intermittency). APS said, again: "if the tests
- are ok, then it's your problem". Well, I decided to do a little
- investigating on my own, and opened up the case (remember, this was an
- _external_ drive). I looked around for questionable connections
- (since a temperature-related problem suggests a poor connection).
-
- Guess what I found: a ROM chip with a bent leg. It was inserted, but,
- being bent at the "knee", that pin was barely touching its contact. A
- clear case of APS being at fault, and a new drive being in order? Not
- at all, according to APS. In fact, I still can't believe the idiocy
- dished out by the APS tech guy I talked to (and I think he was the
- supervisor!): He said, first, that if it only happened during boot,
- then it couldn't be because of the bent pin, since that would cause a
- problem all the time. Second, to support that, he said that there are
- lots of ground pins on those ROMS, so that's probably all it was. Do
- you believe this garbage? When I pointed out (speculatively) that if
- the pin was an address pin, it might be a high order bit,
- corresponding to an area of memory that isonly addressed at certain
- times (say, during boot), so it was not at all farfetched that this
- might be the source of my problem, he dismissed that explanation. Did
- he ask me which pin it was, to verify whether it really was a ground
- pin? Not at all. In fact, what he did was to tell me to ship it
- back, and that he would send the replacement drive with stickers on
- all the screws, voiding the warranty if I opened the case. As though
- I had done anything to damage the drive! This solution was
- unacceptable, since I had plans to convert it to an internal drive in
- the near future.
-
- I finally convinced him to let me straighten the pin myself, i.e. so
- that the warranty would not be voided if it broke in the process.
- When I called him back a couple days later to confirm that my cold
- booting problem seemed to have been solved, his only response was,
- "I'll be damned." Well, we can only hope, eh?
-
- MORAL: APS is fine if you are using standard hardware, and if you
- don't run into any really obscure problems. Do what they say - I
- learned a lot from them. But if your symptoms are conflicting, or if
- APS can't solve the problem, don't be intimidated by their superior
- attitude. Success has gone to their heads to some degree, yet they
- don't know as much as they think they do. So persevere, make sure to
- get satisfaction within 30 days of purchase if that's when your
- problem crops up, and if you don't, ship the damn thing back and go to
- LaCie or somewhere else. And if you have an accellerator, forget APS
- (or at least make sure to install someone else's driver, such as LaCie
- Silverlining's)!
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- --Ed
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