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- From: stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng)
- Subject: Re: Beef Sandwich - Re: Amiga now kicks PC butt - no way.
- In-Reply-To: peter@global.hacktic.nl's message of Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16: 38:47 GMT
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- References: <1992Dec5.015038.10037@global.hacktic.nl> <BytFzD.JAn@NeoSoft.com>
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- <1992Dec12.163847.399@global.hacktic.nl>
- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:59:16 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec12.163847.399@global.hacktic.nl> peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:
-
- [lot of stuff deleted]
-
- >>and that blows the power cost out of
- >>the water.
-
- >The same for the Amiga. But the difference is that you can't plug your A500
- >peripherals in your A3000 and that you need to buy a completely new system.
-
- This is bull...my A2000 currently runs peripsh that I had bought for
- my A500. I suspect that is I bought a A4000 I'd move all of my
- current A2000 boards over to the new machine...but I doubt I'll ever
- buy one. I simply slap a '040 card into my geriatric A2000 (circa
- 1989-90) and can run with the latest and greatest.
-
- >>Yep, you can replace the 1M SIMMS with 4M simms, and then replace
- >>the motherboard when it's filled up, and replace the disks, and do it again
- >>in two or three years because NT++ needs it.
-
- >Nope. I do not run NT or NT++. The memory that is replaced in one computer
- >can be plugged into the second computer.
-
- Then you probably aren't too bright...adding old slow memory to a new
- fast machine is like putting 1950 vintage rubber on a 1990 sports car.
- It works but it sure hurts performance...
-
- Which is why when my roomate upgraded from his old 386/16 (top of the
- line when he bought it) to a 486 he left his VGA card, HD controller
- and memory on the old machine. The performance liability of the old
- drive controller and slooow VGA made a faster CPU pointless. Fact is
- you gain a lot more productivity in the PC world with a fast disk,
- fast VGA and lots of memory than pushing the CPU.
-
-
- >>I didn't get an XT, or an AT, or any other computer that had a short lifetime.
-
- >That is easy talking for someone with a $$$$$ salary. However, if your budget
- >is small, then there isn't much choice. Anyway, there are still enough people
- >who would like to have a cheap XT or AT and who don't need a 386 to run UNIX.
-
- XTs work only if you use old applications or have a lot of patience...
-
- >>Everything I use has years of productive life ahead of it, because I
- >>looked at the resource requirements of the system when I got it, and
- >>what I'd expect them to grow to to keep up with the software I needed
- >>to run.
-
- >For me too, the XT I bought 6 years ago still has a productive life
- >ahead as it is still used regularly. But I wonder what that has to do
- >with Amigas being "green" (=sick) computers?
-
- Nothing...my AT vintage A2000 is still competative with 386/486 boxes
- in terms of usability...more as I get to run mac applications ;-).
- Sometime soon I'll pop a few more megs and run SYS7 on the little
- bugger...
-
- >>> Being just as productive?
- >>Sure. The machine waits on me... I don't have to wait on it, so my bandwidth
- >>isn't being wiped out by a lossy OS.
-
- >Which lossy OS do you mean? Linux?
-
- Windows...which isn't really an OS but DOS if it comes down to it.
-
- >>> With a headache from the flickering screen?
- >>What flickering screen? I don't use interlace... I don't need interlace.
-
- >50Hz display refresh rate is painful, and I didn't even mention interlace.
- >Go figure.
-
- Ummm...what 50Hz refresh? I run full interlace with the de-interlacer
- for a nice large screen...yes on my virtually stock geriatric Amiga.
-
- >>> Frustration from a rotten keyboard?
- >>Gee, it's exactly the same as the keyboard on my 386.
-
- >Ah, another Commodore PC 60-40 owner. Well, I've seen A500 keyboards with
- >stickers on it.
-
- Yeah...so I've seen PCJrs with chicklet keys...what the point?
-
- >>A used 386, by the way. No new resources went into it, and I'm keeping it
- >>out of the waste stream.
-
- >And your Amiga is also second hand I suppose?
-
- All of my Amigas are used...
-
- [stuff deleted]
-
- >>>>That's not to mention the sort of nasty toxics you generate from Fab lines.
- >>> Ah great so Amigas are made from cow dung so that you can use them as
- >>> fertilizer if you don't want them (who would anyway).
- >>No, but you don't have to buy so many of them to keep up. That's what clean
- >>and efficient design buys you.
-
- >Ah, not so many but you still bought several of them, didn't you?
-
- Not I. I have a spare A1000 to play head to head games with. My A500
- went to a cousin for a first computer. My A2000 is nice in that for
- the foreseeable future I can run any Amiga application at the same
- speed (or near enough) as any top of the line Amiga if I'm willing to
- drop in the latest Motorolla processor offering...and we aren't
- talking motherboard swapping but the same mb, bus, disks etc...
-
- Hell...I can even run as fast as a Quadra for non-color applications
- (limited by the fact my mac roms are the 128K old mac roms without
- color quickdraw) for a few hundred dollars for a pocket 040 board.
-
- >>> The fact that you
- >>> need to buy a complete new computer as an upgrade path.
- >>You do? I'm not planning on doing any upgrading for another 6 years.
-
- >Sure. But not likely a new computer or new motherboard.
-
- >>> The last upgrade
- >>> I made only involved a change of the motherboard. I didn't have to throw away
- >>> the other parts.
- >>But how often do you have to do it?
-
- >Have to? Never! You can still run MS-DOS and many applications (even some of
- >the latest ones) on 4.77MHz XTs, no problem. I upgraded recently because I
- >need two 386 computers and I only had one. That was for me the time to replace
- >the 286@8MHz motherboard I once rescued from the waste with a 386 motherboard.
- >If it was a stone-age Amiga, I would have had to buy a complete new system thus
- >wasting 1 complete computersystem. Now it's only a motherboard.
-
- You are full of it. One: I use PCs all the time...and if you think
- that ANY of the applications I have running on my machine will even
- twitch on a 8808 4.77Mhz XT you're smoking something that Clinton
- didn't inhale. Two: My geriatric A2000 can run with the best with the
- addition of a processor card...not a motherboard swap.
-
- Nigel
-
- --
- Nigel Tzeng
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