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- From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
- Subject: Re: Bus def's ==> Re: EISA vs. ISA (& VESA, VL-bus, Local bus)
- Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
- Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:41:44 GMT
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- In article <8738@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> hwrvo@kato.lahabra.chevron.com (W.R. Volz) writes:
- >|> >|> * ISA (the mormal 386 type bus, right?)
- ISA is based on the original IBM PC 8-bit bus,
- but now commonly refers to the IBM PC-AT bus,
- which extends the PC bus to 16 bits, doubles the
- number of interupts and DMA channels, provides
- for at least 16 Mb of ram, although many 386
- motherboards do not have bus-mapped ram.
- The PC-AT bus was rated as more than adequate 2 years ago when comparing
- EISA and microchannel 386's and single user usage. I still think that
- analysis is correct. If you need Local bus or eisa, than you need a
- small unix machine, or you should stop playing games or stop using your
- computer to play real time video or audio (that's what your home stereo
- and tv/vcr are for)... :)
-
- >|> >|> * EISA (extended ISA, 32 bit, look like IAS but twice
-
- There "once" was a group of nine (Compaq, uh, who else?) that came up with
- EISA as the answer to IBM's microchannel. IBM figured it had to come up
- with a proprietary bus (to get the pc market back), and the Group of Nine
- thought they had to come up with their own "public domain" bus that equalled
- the performance (bus-mastering) of IBM's microchannel.
-
- IBM's microchannel never caught on (it was expensive, add on cards were
- expensive, and the performance for single-person applications just wasn't
- there. EISA is suffering a similar fate, although if you want to get
- technical, an EISA bus does match the performance of the 486 better than
- the PC-AT ISA bus, but that's like saying the Chrysler HEMI 426 should
- have had the body and handling of a Ferrari.
-
- >|> >|> longer right?)
-
- The EISA bus, unlike IBM's microchannel, is configured in such a way
- that regular ISA cards can be plugged into them. This gives you the
- best of both worlds, that is the ability to use currently available
- (and cheap) ISA cards, an upgrading to EISA cards when they become
- available, or cheaper.
-
- >|> >|> * VL-bus (differnt type of expansion slot, looks all
- >|> >|> diferent, much smaller than ISA, connected to the
- >|> >|> CPU directly, good for video cards, or is it VESA?)
- >|> >|> * Local Bus (?)
- >|> >|> * VESA (?^10)
- >|>
- >|> >EISA is a new Extended ISA bus. It is 32 bits wide and runs at 33 mhz,
- >|> >I think. This bus should be 32 * 33 / ( 16 * 8) or about 8 times faster
- >|> >than the ISA bus. I don't know what cards are available but ISA is
- >|> >compatible with this bus though is halves the bus speed. Don't know what
- >|> >that does to cards expecting an 8 Mhz bus.
- >|>
- >|> People keep asking this question, and people keep getting it wrong.
- >|> EISA runs at ***8.33*** MHz. It will transfer at FOUR times the speed
- >|>
- >
- >I found that I can learn much more by answering a question, even if
- >I know the answer is wrong. I know that someone will correct me and I
- >can take the median of the answers and the true answer. Try calling
- >several vendors and ask them the same question and see if you get the
-
- The traffic in this group is WAY WAY too high, and should have been
- split up long ago.
-
- I have also heard that IESA runs at 8.33 mhz. This is *probably* a
- bad thing if you can't change it. Some 286's, and most 386/486's
- allow you to crank the bus speed right up to the processor speed.
- This means that with ISA cards, you can crank the bus up to the point
- where the computer still functions adequately (on my 286-25, I have
- a fax modem, an ET4000 video card, and a Maxtor 213 Mb drive, and
- they don't mind the 12.5 mhz bus speed).
-
- (side point: Maxtor 123 Mb ide drives don't like 12.5 mhz bus speed.)
-
- And for VESA.
- VESA is a video STANDARD, it's the industry's attempt to standardize
- Super VGA, because IBM's vga standard stops at 640x480x16 (although
- there is the 8514 standard, but it's not a good spec).
-
- Anyways, a VESA compatible video card is supposed to adhear to rules
- that allow application software control the video card in 800x600
- ans 1024x768 modes. In other words, *I think*, an application program
- can *ask* a video card what it can do (resolution wise) and tell the
- video card to go into any video mode in a standard way, withoug the
- need for drivers. But I stand corrected...
-
- -Later:Wayne-
-