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- From: hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma)
- Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
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- Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
- References: <mattd-071292114245@city-lights.apple.com>
- Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:33:32 GMT
- Lines: 84
-
- Matt Deatherage writes
-
- In article <1fq5vbINNf69@gap.caltech.edu>, toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P.
- Whitesel) wrote:
- >
- > Ah yes, the standard "discredit" defense. Matt, when are you going to
- > understand that we don't _have_ to have "been there" to reconstruct a lot of
- > what happend from the sheer mass of evidence contained in the result? After
- > messing with the toolbox for a while, I would tend to agree with Hal's
- > assessment, for the most part. I suspect that I am not alone in this.
-
- You don't have to read "Moby Dick" to write a book report on it, either,
- and you're just about as likely to get it right.
-
- As I see it, if Matt's hypothesis holds true, then all the history
- classes ever taught are invalid! According to Matt, you have to be there to
- know whats really going on. So while all the facts mentioned in class are
- "correct," the why's to events can never be mentioned because no one who
- printed the texts was with the people at the time who made history. We can't
- say why the declartion of independace was written because "gee, we weren't
- there with them to know why they did it"
-
- But much of why events happened in history is in reality pieced
- together from research and the collection of data. As new research and data is
- collected from a given event, ideas about it might change, The same can be
- applied anywhere, wheter it be to the Reagan administration to even Apple's
- policies and trends over the past decade.
-
- > > You are perfectly free to contend with any
- > > of his suppositions and give the _real_ scoop, you know.
- >
- > This is not true. Unlike folks who may have been in a meeting where there
- > were not non-disclosure agreements, I _am_ bound by an employment agreement
- > with Apple that gives other people the choice as to what I can and can't
- > discuss regarding Apple's internal policies. I say what I can.
- >
-
- I think Todd was being sarcastic there, Matt. You claim that
- information isn't correct and then hide behind the NDA which prevents you from
- saying anything. We all know that you can't say anything so why even get
- involved? Granted, some of the things that I say you might not agree with, so
- you make a counter point to prove me wrong. its all part of a dicussion. But
- since you can't make the counterpoint, it really makes it into a one sided
- argument.
-
- Its unfortant that you can't respond Matt, I'd like to know why you
- think differently and from that maybe we both could learn something. But from
- the way it is, nothing can be gained.
-
- > > given the circumstances I think it's truly impressive that the whole thing
- > > came together the way it did. [...] But they cannot change the fundamental
- > > flaws in the IIgs toolbox, and I wish you'd start being more realistic
- > > about them. After all, there is nothing to lose at this point.
- >
- > Who's not being realistic? Hal claimed, or at least strongly implied, that
- > the original design team wanted to build in multitasking support and they
- > had to jettison it for cost/time reasons. I don't buy that, and I said so.
-
- Let me requote what I had said in that artcile:
-
- "The reason why the GS does not have features like a
- multifinder is because Apple did not let the GS have them. A
- Multifinder for the GS would be expensive for Apple to make right now
- because back when the GS was being created, many corners were cut in
- the design of the toolbox for time/budget reasons (also created
- by Apple). However, just because we do not have them right now doesn't
- mean that the GS can't do it."
-
- Just because I said that the toolbox had some corners cut doesn't mean I said
- that they had wanted to do multitasking support. I don't see that anywhere up
- there. I'm saying that because some corners were cut, this has made its making
- modifying the toolbox to add features that they did not conceive of back then
- such as a Multifinder difficult. One of the concepts they teach us in class
- here is to be aware that you migh thave to modify your code to handle new
- situations that aren't being asked of now. So we have to make our code
- flexible. And if you've got limitations in time/moeny, you have to cut that
- code flexibility sometimes to achieve these goals. But they did a great job
- with the toolbox given what they had.
-
- | Hal Bouma | Send mail to: HBouma@Macalstr.edu |
- | Macalester College, St. Paul, MN. | and HBouma@Macalstr.Bitnet |
- \ Things that make you go Hmmm: System 6, GNO, DreamGrafix, SoundMeister /
- \ Coming sometime this decade for the //GS : NBA! (GNO compatible too!) /
- \ Drop by and say hi to us anytime on the #AppleIIGS channel on IRC!! /
-