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- From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: A1200 - 68020EC ??
- Message-ID: <37955@cbmvax.commodore.com>
- Date: 16 Dec 92 16:38:48 GMT
- References: <1992Dec11.171145.13055@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> <1992Dec15.181333.8814@vaxc.aud.auc.dk>
- Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
- Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
- Lines: 47
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- In article <1992Dec15.181333.8814@vaxc.aud.auc.dk> d505i@wartburg.auc.dk writes:
- >In article 13055@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
- >> In article <1992Dec11.093004.10703@walter.cray.com> walterb@sequoia.cray.com
- >> (Walter Boese Jr.) writes:
-
- >> >What does the 'EC' in 68020 mean for the Amiga A1200.
-
- "Embedded Controller", "Especially for Commodore", or "Extra Cheap", depending
- on who you ask.
-
- >> >How can you economize (sp) a chip that is pretty basic to begin with?
-
- >> Take out the MMU.
-
- The '020 never had an MMU.
-
- The EC version costs less because it's in a 100 PQFP pin package rather than the
- normal larger pin count PGA or PQFP packages. In order to achieve this
- packing density, they cut out 8 address lines and simplified the bus arbiter
- a bit.
-
- >> >And if they did remove something, WHY? The 68020 is getting outdated
- >> >already, why degrade more than its age already has?
-
- Well, Intel certainly hasn't done bad with their 80386SX. And that was more
- of a castration than a simple downgrade. With the 68EC020, you're eliminating
- address space, not performance. And saving money in the process. Everyone
- understands "lower cost", even if they don't know all the factors affecting
- the performance of a system. That's the only reason people buy these SX
- systems or the similarly crippled 16/32 bit machines from Apple or Atari.
-
- >You keep on mentioning the MMU, but THERE IS NO MMU IN A 020!!!!
- >The MMU was first in the 030.
-
- Indeed. The '020 could use an external MMU like the MC68851. However, shortly
- after the 68030 was released there was little point in this, since the '851
- plus '020 cost more than the '030. Such systems were short lived. Apple's
- first Mac II and our A2500/20 are the only two machines I know of that used
- the '851. There probably were a few others, but not many. Most of the earlier
- '020 systems, like the Sun 3, built their own MMU out of SRAMs and TTL. The
- '851 took so long to get out, the '030 was on its heels.
-
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