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- From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
- Subject: Re: 8-bit news
- Message-ID: <Bz6Evr.Dt6@zoo.toronto.edu>
- Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:28:37 GMT
- References: <Bz2298.11K@zoo.toronto.edu> <4yyNVB4w165w@blues.kk.sub.org>
- Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
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- In article <4yyNVB4w165w@blues.kk.sub.org> kosta@blues.kk.sub.org (Kosta Kostis) writes:
- >There is no way to mandate updates especially if there is no "need"
- >for that. As long as we don't use 8-bit, nobody will ever change
- >"faulty" software.
-
- There is no way to mandate updates net-wide. Period. That is a fact
- of life, like it or not. If you decide to just charge ahead, unless
- you have enough administrative control to force updates -- possible for
- cooperating subnets, but nobody has such control net-wide -- then you
- will spend years answering complaints from people whose software breaks.
- Even long after you'd think everybody would have fixed it. Believe me;
- we've seen this with C News.
-
- >> It will not be possible to forget about the bit-handicapped until their
- >> numbers are vanishingly small. That won't happen soon.
- >
- >I don't agree. It depends on us. Since the intro of VT 2xx terminals
- >in 1983 nine years went by and many people are already equiped with
- >8-bit terminals and PCs, Macs, NeXTs, Workstations of various brands
- >now. All these are capable of displaying 8-bit characters.
-
- "What do you mean 'we', white man?" -- Tonto, as the Apaches charge him
- and the Lone Ranger. :-) I don't have such a terminal. Are you going to
- buy me one?
-
- You're not addressing the issue. In the first place, the question is
- not whether lots of people have 8-bit terminals -- they do -- but whether
- many of the potential readers *don't*. In the second place, the real
- issue is transmission paths, not terminals: the reader software can
- look after inadequate terminals, but if the data goes through a 7-bit
- keyhole (NNTP!) before it gets to you, no amount of intelligence in your
- terminal will fix that.
-
- And in the third place, most important, you're confusing encoding with
- content. MIME provides ways, *today*, to encode 8-bit or 16-bit or
- 32-bit character codes as 7-bit data that will pass through any of
- the current transmission paths unscathed. There is no need to wait
- for 8-bit transmission paths to start using ISO 8859-1 (or, preferably,
- 10646 -- 8-bit provincialism is no better than 7-bit provincialism).
- --
- "God willing... we shall return." | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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