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- From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
- Subject: Re: New "official" motd
- In-Reply-To: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec16.083239.6375@nntp.hut.fi>
- Keywords: motd
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- Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
- Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
- References: <ratner.723838076@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> <1992Dec9.014244.15480@ulysses.att.com> <27892@optima.cs.arizona.edu> <1992Dec10.143956.15403@ulysses.att.com>
- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:32:39 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec10.143956.15403@ulysses.att.com>, smb@research (Steven Bellovin) writes:
- >Certainly, such a policy can be ridiculously harsh, and even if it
- >isn't, a reasonable one can be ignored or abused by an SA. But the
- >concepts I -- and CERT, and DoJ -- are advocating are hardly novel. In
- >fact, they're fundamental to our system of jurisprudence, that laws
- >clearly give notice of the prohibited conduct (a law may be struck down
- >by the courts for vagueness) and that probable cause is required for
- >things like search and arrest warrants.
-
- I didn't see anything in the notice that said that probable cause is
- required for searches. To the contrary, the message seemed to say
- that by using the systems all users consent to all monitoring - ie. no
- suspicion or probable cause required.
-
- There was some sugar-coating which talked about monitoring
- unauthorized users, but that was separate from the consent.
-
- >> "The
- >> management reserves the right to monitor all use of this system and to
- >> share the monitoring results with law enforcement officials."
-
- That seems to me like a good, brief summary of the meaning of the
- login message strongly recommended by CERT.
-
- //Jyrki
-