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- From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
- Subject: Re: CERT and the Dept. of Justice on keystr
- In-Reply-To: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul (Cliffy) Palmer)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec15.222334.29669@nntp.hut.fi>
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- Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
- Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
- References: <1992Dec11.235142.3072@nntp.hut.fi> <1992Dec12.043113.24232@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>
- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:23:34 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec12.043113.24232@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, palmer@Trade_Zone (Paul (Cliffy) Palmer) writes:
- >If while visiting a friend, I used his phone and he listened in on the
- >conversation, I would not feel that my rights had been violated. I
- >would think him very rude and would not use his phone again.
-
- 1) The "friend" in the case of the advisory is U.S. government - the
- advisory was targetted to federal agencies. For this reason, I think
- the people have a right to say something about it.
-
- 2) Worker's rights are involved - the "consent" hardly is voluntary
- consent when the computer system is required for one's work. If a
- public access system set up by John Doe with his own money had such a
- login message, it would be more like the case you describe
-
- 3) I think privacy rights exist to some degree even when someone else
- owns the "area" - though some limits set by the owner are acceptable.
- For example, say Jill works for a software company, which has a policy
- of letting the workers use the phone for private calls (within
- reasonable limits), bill paid by the company. In this situation I
- think it is reasonable to expect that Jill's privacy is reduced at
- least so that the company sees how much $ worth of calls Jill has
- made, since the company pays the bill. But it is unreasonable, ie. an
- unacceptable invasion of privacy (both Jill's and the persons' Jill is
- calling) for the company to listen/tape Jill's calls.
-
- >I have a hard time understanding how guests can make demands of their
- >hosts.
-
- This was not the issue here.
-
- >that it is our right. ie. the "legal right" to:
- > - drive a car
- > - come and go as we please
- > - drink alcohol
-
- Howver, I do think these all are rights, when rights of other are not
- infringed.
-
- //Jyrki
-