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- Path: sparky!uunet!uunet.ca!geac!alias!chk
- From: chk@alias.com (C. Harald Koch)
- Subject: Re: Multiport repeaters and collision propagation
- Message-ID: <1992Dec14.193852.28204@alias.com>
- Sender: news@alias.com (News Owner)
- Organization: Alias Research, Inc., Toronto ON Canada
- References: <ric.724092787@updike>
- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:38:52 GMT
- Lines: 49
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- In <ric.724092787@updike> ric@updike..sri.com (Richard Steinberger) writes:
-
- > He claims that it is not uncommon for multiport repeaters
- >and even transceivers to NOT propagate collision signals to
- >nodes on the repeater where the collision did not occur. In other
- >words, he says that some multiport devices isolate collision signals
- >to the branch where they occur. Can anyone confirm such behavior?
-
- I have been having problems with several machines on our Ethernets here,
- that could be caused by this. (They could also be caused by malfunctioning
- hardware, non-compliant transceivers; etc.; but several repeaters exhibit
- the same symptoms, so I'm pretty sure it's the repeater itself).
-
- What I'm seeing is strange; I can blast data over a TCP/IP connection at
- over 800Kb/s from host A to host B, but throughput is around 20Kb/s in the
- reverse direction. Blasting UDP data across the network shows extremely high
- packet losses in one directory.
-
- There are two multi-port repeaters between the hosts; all cabling is
- thin-Ethernet. All of my test hosts are the same (SGI Indigos with Allied
- Telesis Micro-transceivers, all running the same OS revision).
-
- Hosts that are both on the same local thin-net cable (i.e. not talking
- through a repeater) can talk to each other at high-speed, bi-directionally,
- without problems. Also, not all repeaters show these symptoms.
-
- I've been monitoring packets on the cables lately to try to figure out
- what's wrong. If I run monitors on machines 'next to' A and B, I see many
- packets transmitted by machine B, but that never appear on machine A's
- cable. The only conclusion I've reached so far is that for some reason, the
- repeater is dropping packets. (This is supposed to be impossible, due to
- collision propogation and Ethernet's exponential backoff). Incidentally,
- netstat on the transmitter shows no output errors and no dropped packets.
-
- Different manufacturer's repeaters behave differently (even when replaced by
- each other), but so far the problem is consistent to certain manufacturers,
- which is why I suspect a design flaw of some sort.
-
- I'm sorry this is so anecdotal, but I'm still running tests and collecting
- data (This is difficult on an operational network, and I don't have the
- resources for a test net).
-
- If you find any more concrete information, I'd love to hear about it!
-
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