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- From: unrza3@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn)
- Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
- Subject: Re: OSI and standard modules (like packet) ?
- Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:41:02 +0100
- Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
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- unikjtf@uts.uni-c.dk (Jan Ferre') writes:
-
- >I'm missing OSI in real life!
-
- So do I!
-
- >Now here's my proposal: Why not define a set of interfaces for specific
- >computerseries and especially for specific operating systems in order to
- >ease PD programmers to get started. I suggest something like:
- > Interface to TP is done via device OSITP on DOS.
- > Packets to the interface are submitted as struct { bla bla bla } and the
- > results will be returned as struct {blu blu blu}.
-
- Excellent idea! Why don't you start writing a proposal, post it here,
- then we'll discuss it and then we'll see whether anyone wants to
- write a demo implementation.
-
- Using C structs as the API specification might not be a good idea under DOS.
- Different compilers might produce different memory layouts and it should not
- be necessary to use the same compiler for the TSR driver and the application.
-
- >It should be possible to identify several 'cuts' in the 7 layer model - in
- >fact a cut is needed at least for every possible split possibility: In the
- >Nordic Government OSI Profile there should be a cut to provide for 8802-3
- >and -5, a cut to provide for 8878 as contrast to 8473, a cut for 8073, and a
- >cut in 8650 to provide interface for the different layer 7 applications.
-
- I would suggest only 2 cuts: one cut near the network layer and
- one cut that offers ACSE, RTSE and ROSE to the higher layers together
- with BER/PER/... parsing service (that's what application programmers need if
- they want to implement a FTAM client prototype within a few days.)
- The cut within the network layer need not necessarily be one of the
- cuts in the OSI RM. The module below the near-network-cut should
- contain the network specific software (e.g. an async HDLC/X.25 driver
- for COM1 and COM2, an CLNP driver over a packer driver, a 'for further
- study' CONS module using AX.25, etc.). The module between the two cuts
- would perform all the OSI protocol machinery (from transport to ROSE)
- in which both the network and the application programmer aren't very
- interessted.
-
- Under MS-DOS an machine-level API and a standard C++ interface for the higher
- cut might motivate a lot of PD programmers to implement interesting
- applications without having to worry about the details of layer 4-6.5.
-
- >Now whats wrong with the standards themselves? Simply that they don't
- >provide the information needed to ship binary modules that the users can mix.
-
- >My dream (let's call it a wish for christmas) is to go to SIMTEL to get
- >layer 1,3,5, to buy layer 2 and 7 from IBM and to buy layer 6 and 4 from
- >Nonsence-soft in Yougoslavia. Or at least to be able to get hold of
- >resonable modules from different sources.
-
- Perhaps a seperate module for each OSI RM layer isn't even necessary.
- Developing nice APIs is a lot of work, so let's concentrate on a few only!
-
- If enough people come together, I might find some time to implement
- a below-network API TSR module for async HDLC and X.25. The prototype is
- already available, I still don't have a nice API and I don't want to
- construct my own API.
-
- Markus
-
- --
- Markus Kuhn, Computer Science student -=-=- University of Erlangen, Germany
- Internet: mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de | X.500 entry available
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